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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Thank you. I call Deputy Pádraig O'Sullivan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Thank you Deputy O'Sullivan. You have directed one question to Ms O'Mahony and one to Mrs. Jennings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I call Ms O'Mahony to answer Deputy O'Sullivan as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Thank you Ms O'Mahony. Thank you Deputy O'Sullivan. I call Deputy Marian Harkin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Who wants to take the first question? I call Ms Jennings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Thank you, Deputy Harkin. The next member on my list is Senator Flynn.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank Ms Lowndes. We have invited the Minister, Deputy Harris, to one of our meetings this autumn to discuss third level educational opportunities as well. Deputy McHugh is next on my list. As he is online but not in the precincts of Leinster House, I will ask a question on his behalf. Do the witnesses feel that there is adequate engagement and a communication channel between their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Does anyone else want to come in on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I propose that we suspend for five minutes as we are an hour and a half into the session and I said at the beginning that we would take a five-minute sos.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We are back in public session and I call the next speaker who is Deputy Joe Flaherty.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I will bring in Senator Currie. She is my colleague and a strong advocate on autism. She is not a member of the committee but asked to attend the meeting today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I am conscious of time. Ms Murphy, Ms Jennings and Ms Jenkins have to leave before 2 p.m. to attend another meeting here in Leinster House. I am actually the final speaker, but a number of members indicated that they want to come in with supplementary questions. Please keep it two minutes for question and answer and perhaps direct questions to specific people or groups.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I will come back to that question in a moment. I am conscious that one of the group wants to leave and I want to say a few words before it does so. First, on behalf of everybody, I think, and on behalf of myself as a parent, I thank all the witnesses for everything they do. They should not have to do it but they do it because, as has been said, they are child-centred and are thinking of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We need staff to implement it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I have spoken about summer provision here before. I firmly believe that it should be mandatory that every special school provide it. There should be no question at all about that. The figure was given earlier that 80% of kids in special schools got no summer provision. We set up that provision years ago. It is disgraceful and-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: That is a message we need to send out clearly across the Government. I have seen documentation for a particular special school to which I have referred here before. It has already decided that it will not provide summer provision in summer 2023. It has made that decision 12 months out. That is not acceptable. I think Ms Jennings made the point about a teacher in a school who took on and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: And it has been proven to work.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I forget who mentioned it but another area that was brought up as well is the issue of the carer's allowance, where a parent has to give up work. I have a specific case where one parent has given up work, they have two kids with a diagnosis, they have a third child with autism, the father is travelling to work at 6.30 a.m. in the morning to Dublin but they are just over the limit so they are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Deputy Pádraig O'Sullivan has a specific question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Sep 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: The question needs to be asked if the HSE has engaged with the Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science to make sure there are enough qualified people across all those services coming out. The reality is there is not and the HSE has not engaged with them. That is not forward planning or thinking by any organisation. The reality is that it is our kids who...

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