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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: 2013 Allocations for Public Expenditure - Office of Public Works: Discussion with Minister of State (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: No, I am asking about what has generally been lost under the OPW's remit. It has lost a sizeable number of staff and its funding has been reduced massively. Can the Minister of State tell the committee what has been lost as a result of that? Obviously, the OPW has important responsibilities in areas like risk management. What risks are being posed to the country, in the opinion of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: 2013 Allocations for Public Expenditure - Office of Public Works: Discussion with Minister of State (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes, I think we should get the draft budget three months before budget day. I know it would be a big change for us. I thought I would mention it at this juncture.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: 2013 Allocations for Public Expenditure - Office of Public Works: Discussion with Minister of State (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: That is what the Deputy and his colleagues do. We do not do that. We just ask for excellence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: 2013 Allocations for Public Expenditure - Office of Public Works: Discussion with Minister of State (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: I asked the Minister of State whether there are any serious risks. I take his point about flood management and welcome what he had to say in that regard. If a new comprehensive expenditure report required the OPW to reduce its numbers by a further 5%, would that present any risks? I guess the Minister of State has outlined one, potentially to heritage buildings, which has a knock-on effect...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: I wish to comment briefly on the process before asking specific questions about the numbers before us and suggesting some ideas for the Minister. I welcome the process as a first step but we have a long way to go in terms of getting figures that are easy to understand and interrogate. This is not a criticism, however, because it was never going to be right on the first attempt. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: It was provided to members.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: Allow me to ask a different question on the same subject. The comprehensive expenditure review for last year identified a net reduction in spending in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform of €69 million between this year and 2013. The revised figure indicates that expenditure will increase by €88 million. What does this additional expenditure entail?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: Would it be possible to provide the committee with a reconciliation of that €88 million figure? It is quite a jump.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: That is exactly what I am asking.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: I do not require the information immediately. I ask that the officials revert to us with a reconciliation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: My understanding of the purpose of this session, therefore, is different. In the various tables provided, there are identified shortfalls compared with the figures in the comprehensive review of expenditure of €19 million. Were we to continue next year as we are this year and given the ceiling set for next year, the shortfall will be €19 million. Is that distributed across...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: I do not mean to be difficult but why then do we have these figures?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: The figures say the Minister needs to find an additional €19 million in savings. If one adds up everything in column E, additional savings required, one gets €19 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: It is the Minister's document.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: The Minister has allocated that amount across the Votes. Is that an estimate or a random distribution?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: Table 1 refers to the Department. If it carries on as per this year, it will cost €62 million to run next year, but the target in the CRE is €39 million, which means the Minister must find €2 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: Must the Minister find that or is it just indicative?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: They do not seem like terribly useful numbers in that event. Let me give the Minister a few ideas. My understanding was if we were to examine the Department's Estimates, the Minister would say that to meet his 2013 target, he would need to cut by €2.382 million, that this reduction would be extremely risky for the Department to do and that he was not proposing we do that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Public Expenditure and Reform Vote: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (17 Oct 2012)

Stephen Donnelly: My understanding is the Minister is not offering an opinion on the €2.38 million and whether it should be cut or not.

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