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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I do not want to make an intervention. I will give the Minister and Deputy one minute each.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: Deputy Boyd Barrett has 15 minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I ask the Deputy to speak to the Minister and to the Chair and I ask other members to remain silent until it is their turn to speak.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: The Deputy should allow the Minister to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I am prepared to give the Deputy substantial latitude, but making value judgments as to the private intentions of Ministers, and using words such as "despise", is out of order.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: It would be acceptable for the Deputy to accuse the Minister, for example, of ignoring the question-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I am willing to accommodate the Deputy as far as I can, but the type of value-based language he has used is not acceptable. It is permissible for him to accuse the Minister of being evasive, but words like "despise" are not acceptable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: If the Deputy continues to interject, I will have to move on to the next speaker. I advise him not to lose his speaking time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I have already made my position clear. I welcome the Deputy's engagement with the Minister, but if this type of nonsense continues I will move on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I have asked both Deputy and Minister not to interject while the other is speaking. If interjections continue to be made, I will move on to the next speaker. Does the Deputy have a question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: The next speaker is Deputy Kieran O'Donnell. Does he wish to share his time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: The Deputies will have six minutes each. As Deputy Creed is indicating he does not wish to speak, Deputy Kieran O'Donnell will have the full time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I must interrupt the Deputy as I need to excuse myself for a few minutes. I ask Deputy Creed to take the Chair.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I hope we are finished with the tree hugging.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I ask Deputy Donnelly to be succinct. I am aware there is a meeting the Minister must attend.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I propose to invite the Minister back to the committee to discuss this specifically.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: I certainly appreciate the Minister engaging with the process. I welcome Deputy Donnelly's comments on this as well. It is a simple matrix. There are Department heads and there are quarters for which one is on target, under target or over target, and the budgets in each Department are either current or capital. It is almost a one-page exercise. I totally agree with the Minister's...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: It is demand led.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: The issue that focused our minds on this is not ultimately the minute percentile at which the overall Department of Public Expenditure budget might be at the end of year, whether it is 1% or 2% under or over. The issue is that if there is an overhang of €100 million to €200 million in a Department going into the last quarter, there is an impact on a section of that Department...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Disposal of State Assets and Quarterly Review: Discussion with Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform (19 Jun 2013)

Ciarán Lynch: Those are the type of issues the committee would try to flag and identify through this process.

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