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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: That would be my understanding as well. I do not see why, in the current section 8, there is a proposal to take an observer or third party out of the process. One has to be a relevant person, whereas at present it would be up to you or I to seek a-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: Have RTPI members working in local authorities indicated that section 5 declarations are in some way onerous or difficult?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: We should retain the provisions of section 5 in the new section 8. We are looking at the numbers. Resources are always a big issue. Resources have been a consistent theme in our meetings with An Bord Pleanála, the Planning Regulator and the representatives who are before us today. We met representatives of local government and regional assemblies on Tuesday. They reported that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: Is that 87 graduates, in total, from all the schools?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: That is the number of people who went into the planning system.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: Okay. It is just less than half.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: We have had some really good interaction with Scottish planners. I have seen them present at Irish Planning Institute conferences over the years. It seems similar, but maybe better. Have they got the same constraints, difficulties and pressures in trying to recruit planners in other jurisdictions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: Okay. Where-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: Are there other European countries or worldwide organisations? Where else? What about Australia, New Zealand or the Netherlands? Where can we get the resources? Marine planning is another area we do not talk about that is going to become really big. There will be much more pressure on that area shortly. Does Mr. Lawlor have views on that? Where will we get the planning resources?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I fully understand that because it has come in for some really negative commentary over the years, which is unjust and undue. That may possibly apply to some players within the system but not the entire profession, which is the professional and-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I know it is not absolutely relevant to this but the timelines and changes proposed here are going to be resource dependent. It is, therefore, a downstream issue for what is being proposed in here. I am out of time so I will move on to Deputy Cian O'Callaghan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I would like to add to that. Should these guidelines be in development plan guidance rather than in this primary legislation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I believe this guidance was recently published also.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I invite Mr. Jones to make a comment here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: There is a line between what is popular and what is in the common good and sustainable. It it is a question of trying to find that balance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I think we would agree on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I would like to stick to the issue of flexibility and I want to come back to something Mr. Jones said about a wind farm development. Technology is changing all the time and things get bigger and the blades get wider. Does there not need to be a window of flexibility at planning application stage whereby that the exact detail is not included? People may not put up the structure for two or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: It is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Steven Matthews: I just wanted to clarify-----

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