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Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Mr. O'Kelly has said a commercial return forms a heavy part of the blend of the mandate given to the NTMA by the Oireachtas. Mandates can be changed if they are too restrictive. I am assuming that as this is a new fund, it is being established and that the NTMA will have to evaluate its effectiveness. In doing this has it formed an opinion on the need to change the mandate to make it more...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I wish to focus on the former remit of the National Development Finance Agency and public private partnerships. The important aspect of public private partnerships is that we get value for money. It is important that information be given to Oireachtas Members and citizens in order that we are confident we are getting value for money. How does this work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Will Mr.O'Kelly give us a quick glimpse of the areas covered by PPP projects? What type of building has been constructed using a PPP?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I will get to the Comptroller and Auditor General shortly but in terms of the areas where public private partnerships, PPPs, have been prevalent, so far it has been schools, courts-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: -----and nursing homes, which are a new feature. Now, public private partnerships are in health care as well. Essentially, these are tried and tested areas-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: -----and we are told that one of the advantages of PPPs is that there is risk-sharing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: The State takes a share of the risk and the private sector shares the risk, but there is not any real risk in many of these projects. That is something on which there should be more of a focus because if there is no risk, these are lucrative projects for the companies involved. I read the Comptroller and Auditor General's report on PPPs and some issues arise from that which I will come to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Is Mr. O'Kelly familiar with the model in British Columbia and other regions in Canada in that the authorities publish reports as soon a contract is signed in respect of a PPP project? It sets out risk analysis and the complete 25 or 30-year picture. It gives information on the entire project. It evaluates whether value for money will be achieved. Everything has to be captured and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform website is three years out of date. One of our functions is to ensure that we get value for money and that we understand PPPs in terms of their volume and number. If the website is three years out of date and does not provide the full PPP listings, surely that is a failure on the Department's side. It also has an impact on the work of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Is that something that can be examined?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: It is one of the NTMA's area of competence now and I am hoping it is something Mr. O'Kelly will be able to help us with.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I might ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to comment on it because he has furnished the committee with a report also.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: In terms of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: It is my view that because of the way we do it in this State, the commercial sensitivity argument has been used to almost frustrate information that is given to committees such as this one. If, even after three years, we are not getting the look-back reports, that is a problem. Having done some research, I raised the example of British Columbia. I do not know whether the Comptroller and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Is the Comptroller and Auditor General familiar with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency Financial Statements 2015
(21 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Following on from what the Comptroller and Auditor General has said and his observations, does Mr. O'Kelly believe there are areas in respect of what has been articulated that can be taken on board by his organisation?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Analysis of Economic Forecasts: Central Bank of Ireland (6 Sep 2016)

David Cullinane: I welcome Dr. Fagan and his team. I have a number of questions for Dr. Fagan that require short answers in order to establish - before I get to my substantive question - whether we are on the same page. In his opening statement, Dr. Fagan referred to the recent GDP figures and he said that they included very large upward revisions to the value of GDP. Would it be fair to say that the word...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Analysis of Economic Forecasts: Central Bank of Ireland (6 Sep 2016)

David Cullinane: So the witness does not accept that the figures were distorted.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Analysis of Economic Forecasts: Central Bank of Ireland (6 Sep 2016)

David Cullinane: However, Dr. Fagan went on to say that a wide range of available indicators, from the labour market to consumer spending and investment - excluding aircraft and intangible assets - confirm that the economy is performing well. He is saying that the CSO should exclude aircraft and intangible assets. If that is the case, does he accept that the inclusion of aircraft and intangible assets had a...

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