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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It was a Part 8 development. The DDDA was giving itself permission.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: We will let the Comptroller and Auditor General conclude, and then I can call Mr. Maloney.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I seek clarification on that. What is the net effect? What is the State taking on its balance sheet in terms of DDDA at the end of December 2012?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Deficit?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: We suggest that the clerk might link up and we can get it independently verified by the DDDA.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is in order.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The committee will obviously consider Mr. Maloney's request and we thank him for appearing before us. At a macro level it has cost the State €52 million. We may differ, but generally, from the evidence we have received, I feel there was lack of cohesion in decision making, independent property evaluation and proper due diligence. Clearly, it was rushed. However, the committee will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: There were some queries put by the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Today, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The matter needs to be clarified. The fact that NAMA's representatives can come in before the end of the week is very important. An invitation should be issued by the clerk to the committee to that effect. We should deal with the matters relating to the HSE and the Mater hospital today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Both the Comptroller and Auditor General and the secretariat of the Committee of Public Accounts do fine work. When witnesses come before us, we are well prepared. However, issues arise on occasions which require a short timeframe and the accumulation of specific information. We must examine specific instances where this arises whereby we have access to bring in expertise for a specific...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is in that context that it should be seen.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Will all the witnesses come in together?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the total amount and what is the purpose of the funding?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is that the total amount in respect of funding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can I just go back to get a bit of clarity? I have read the correspondence to the Mater hospital, dated 9 January 1979, effectively from the secretary general, about the CRC. It also makes reference to St. Paul's Hospital. My question is for Ms Day. The amount paid annually from the CRC is €660,000. Are those 180 people employees of the Mater hospital? Of the €660,000 that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: At this moment in time, how many of the 180 CRC people are in receipt of a pension? For how many former employees of the CRC is the Mater paying a pension?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Of the 180?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the balance of the difference between the amount the Mater hospital has received to date from the CRC and the pension contributions that have been paid out? How much has the Mater received to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(19 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: €0.7 million.

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