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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Would Mr. O'Brien use the word "extraordinary"?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Okay, so what Mr. O'Brien wants us to believe is that all of that is only the fault of the organisation itself and does not raise questions for the HSE. Because, if what Mr. O'Brien is saying is correct - and he has just accepted that these were very serious failings in terms of finance and governance and that this was extraordinary, possibly one of the worst that he has seen in terms of...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: With respect, that is not the question. If Mr. O'Brien accepts that there are serious failings of an extraordinary nature, in terms of finance and governance, within an organisation that is funded to the extent of 40% or more by the HSE-----he may not be the Accounting Officer - and, by the way, the Secretary General of the Department should have been here - but as the Accounting Officer to...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: But Mr. O'Brien failed to notice those failings right through. It is so extraordinary, so unbelievable that this could happen, and yet it happened. The HSE put controls in place to ensure that such things do not happen. If these things did happen, it means that the controls that Mr. O'Brien's organisation has in place have failed. The fact that he cannot accept that or cannot say that, I...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: But Mr. O'Brien has service level agreements in place. The service level agreements are clear in relation to governance and financial issues, and the relationship between them and his organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: It is clear - a full accounting of money spent.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I think different views were expressed by different members about what exactly triggered the audit, but if I could just make one final observation-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Absolutely, but it does not necessarily mean that other people's views are not correct. My final observation-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: People will make up their own minds on all of these issues. If I can, I will go back to one central issue. Our job here is to make sure that controls are in place that are robust and sufficient to ensure that taxpayers' money is being spent appropriately, and that there is sufficient oversight and governance. It seems to me, from reading the report, that there are questions for the CRO...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: No - hang on a second. This is directly relevant to this.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: No. I am sorry, but it is. There are questions here. This internal audit raises questions for the CRO, the Revenue Commissioners, the Department and different arms of the HSE. It also raises questions for the external auditor and the internal auditor. Regarding the fundamental checks and balances which failed, we have asked for information from the HSE. We will get that information....

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Yes, but I am making the point in the presence of the witnesses who are here. I have one question for the Comptroller and Auditor General. With regard to the relationship and the information flow between the Companies Registration Office, the Revenue Commissioners, the Department, the HSE, the internal auditors and the external auditors - I do not know whether he has read the internal...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: What is the Comptroller and Auditor General's view on the controls that are in place in terms of the respective organisations, and the reason they failed so badly?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I am talking about the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: With respect, the Chairman is missing the point. The relationship between all of those organisations-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: -----in terms of controls is inextricably linked. That is my point.

Written Answers — Department of An Taoiseach: Departmental Staff Data (19 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: 99. To ask the Taoiseach the number of staff who entered the public service after 1 January 2011 who are in his Department by year of entry to date; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23502/16]

Written Answers — Department of An Taoiseach: Departmental Staff Remuneration (19 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: 100. To ask the Taoiseach the cost of implementing a pay increase to all those employed under the remit of his Department after 1 January 2011 of 2%, 4% and 5%; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23511/16]

Written Answers — Department of Justice and Equality: Public Sector Staff Data (19 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: 145. To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the number of staff who entered the public service post-1 January 2011 in her Department and by year of entry to date; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [23500/16]

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