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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I do not want to interrupt but I want to ask a straight question to elicit a "Yes" or "No" reply. I am looking for information. Did the HSE receive the external audited accounts it was obliged to receive every year from Console and did it receive the accompanying management letter each year?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General might clarify that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: That is extraordinary. That is a requirement.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: No, that is not the question I asked. I am talking about the management letter that certifies whether there are problems with the accounts or not. If the HSE did not receive the letter, that flag should have been-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Yes. Does the Chairman accept the term "management letter"? Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General could clarify that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Would it be unusual if that was not sent? Should it be sent every year?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: My final question relates to value for money. First, I do not doubt that Console provides quality services and we are all conscious that people working for the organisation provided a top class service to clients and I do not want to take away from that. However, I would like to focus on the call centres. Finding No. 52 states:Console reduce the number of its helplines from six to two...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: We should get all correspondence, not just that letter, on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: No, with St. John of God. There is more than one letter.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: There is a number of letters.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: First of all, I wish to come back to the St. John of God issue. There was a lengthy exchange between Teachta McDonald and Ms Mannion about the timelines of communication between the respective organisations in terms of compliance with pay. My questions are to both Mr. O'Brien and Ms Mannion. Is Mr. O'Brien aware of a press note that was sent to the media last week from St. John of God on...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Is Mr. O'Brien aware of what is in it? Has he read it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Can he read it out?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Can Mr. O'Brien give us his opinion on the content of that release?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: If I can come back quickly to the Console issue, I have a number of points to be clarified by the director general. My general view of the internal audit report seems to be different from Mr. O'Brien's. We established that earlier. I have a number of quick questions, the answers to which can be "Yes" or "No". If that is not fair or possible then that is fine. First, does Mr. O'Brien...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Does Mr. O'Brien believe that there was a lack of accountability within the organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Within Console, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

David Cullinane: Is this one of the most serious internal audits that Mr. O'Brien has seen?

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