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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: We all know that. It is the usual institutional racket that they all vote for each other. The Department had the option to say "No, this is too much".

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Therefore, the Department approves of his pay, in effect.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Moran is voting on behalf of the Irish people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Moran is the Secretary General. He would be giving advice on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: It is not quibbling. It is a large amount of money for one person to get. Last year, the Department abstained. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Therefore, the Department changed its mind. It has now gone into a-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: The Department also voted for the chairman's remuneration, which is €500,000 for a part-time chairman, or €490,000 plus a consultancy deal. What did he do to merit the consultancy deal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: I understand it is €50,000 on top of the €490,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: The Department voted for him.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes, but the Department voted for him. If it had objected to that, it would have expressed reservations and voted "No". What does the chairman do to get this? The €490,000 is utterly outrageous but what does he do for the consultancy deal? That is an extraordinary deal for someone to get.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Is anybody in the Department aware?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Will Mr. Carville let us know in detail?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: Does the Department think he is worth €10,000 a week? That is what it voted for.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: We are not going to agree about that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: I think it was an extraordinary opportunity that the Department missed to reform the way boards are selected and paid, and the way individuals always come from the same pool of insiders, and are selected and land in these plum positions where they are paid outrageous sums of money, which their career records and CVs do not justify. However, that is a reform which, I suspect, Mr. Moran is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: I probably will. That is what it will be.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: I will make suggestions and have made certain suggestions to the Department about people. Most of them do not even get an interview.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: This is correct and they do not get an interview.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: I have spoken to various people about it. They have made applications and have not even received interviews.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2012
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Finance Accounts 2012
(8 May 2014)

Shane Ross: That is the reality. They are not thought to be suitable by the Department because they are not insiders in the banking world. That is why they have not got jobs.

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