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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (26 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Or they get it over the following two years.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (26 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: My main reason for raising this issue is in order that those who are considering availing of the scheme which is very good will know all the options and that the option the Minister outlined is available for them if they wish to avail of it.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (26 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The minimum threshold is €5,000. If someone were to spend a combined total of €5,000 over three years, could he or she make a claim? If the person concerned was to reach the threshold of €5,000 by 2015, would he or she be entitled to the credit based on when the work was included and when the value reached €5,000? If he or she was to reach the threshold by 2015,...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (26 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I welcome amendment No. 39 and the provision which allows the tax credit to be transferred from one carer to the other, with agreement. However, in terms of practicalities, there are situations, unfortunately, where the mother and father do not get on. If the primary carer is not paying tax or cannot effectively use the tax credit in a tax year, a practical option might be to provide that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: On procurement, will the Chairman request that the Department place specific emphasis on the SME aspect?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: There must be a focus on smaller SMEs being able to compete for that work.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the fourth institution?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I have not had the opportunity to read what the Comptroller and Auditor General has had to say on Vote 39. Did he consider the position of section 38 organisations and agencies in the context of pay policies, etc? Did this matter register on his radar?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why do those four hospitals or agencies come within the Comptroller and Auditor General's ambit and the others do not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is there a logic to it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Looking through the internal report by Dr. Smith, who I welcome, I can see that the person responsible for implementing the 22 recommendations is the national director of HR, Mr. Barry O'Brien. Is there a reason Mr. O'Brien is not here today?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Our role as the Committee of Public Accounts is to ensure that the taxpayer is getting proper value for money. Section 38 agencies do very good work. I am looking at it from the perspective of the end user in terms of hospitals and the various agencies and disabilities. Side by side with that, there are difficulties with pay scales for people working in these organisations, particularly at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: These agencies appear to be ignoring the HSE. It wrote to them nine times in various forms since March 2011. What is the HSE's level of control and why are they ignoring it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The elephant in the room is the service plan. The service plans of these organisations must be approved by the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The service plan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Excuse me, I refer to the individual service level agreements with the agencies. They must be approved by the HSE. Surely that gives it a veto over the agencies to ensure they are in compliance with Government pay scales.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I ask Dr. Smith to respond because his report made reference to their reliance on various criteria as their explanation for breaching Government pay scales. He might outline the reasons, which date back to 1996. People are concerned that the money they have raised through fund raising is being spent on other than front-line services. I am worried this will tarnish the great work that is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I know about that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Approximately 10% of that €31 million was for funded allowances for 191 people, according to the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
(27 Nov 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I ask Dr. Smith to outline the reasons they gave for paying these allowances in breach of Government policy.

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