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Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: Is that down by €6 million on 2023, for example?

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: Going back to the homeless figures, Mr. O'Sullivan may have misinterpreted my question. He referred to 48 presentations in a quarter. I was actually asking how many people in emergency accommodation were Travellers.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: As Senator Flynn said, probably 6% or 7% of those are Travellers, so that would be 900 to 1,000.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: In fairness, Mr. O'Sullivan has come to this committee today and we are discussing, in his own words, the delivery of accommodation for Travellers, but he cannot tell us how many are in emergency accommodation.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: How many? I am sorry----

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: It would be useful for us on the committee to know how many people in emergency accommodation identify as Travellers, yet Mr. O'Sullivan does not have that figure.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: That is not what I am looking for. There are four quarters in every year and the homelessness crisis has been going on for a number of years. In my own constituency, there are Travellers who have been in emergency accommodation for well over a year. How do we count them?

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: I accept that.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: For instance, of the 1,000 people who have self-identified on the list, how many of those are in emergency accommodation?

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: Mr. O'Sullivan said there were 1,000 people on the list who identified as Travellers. How many of those are in emergency accommodation?

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: Yes.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: I will skip that question. In fairness, though, Mr. O'Sullivan has come to the committee where we are talking about delivery of Traveller accommodation. We were obviously going to be asking questions. The biggest issue in the whole country is housing and homelessness and Mr. O'Sullivan does not have the figures for Travellers. I will leave it at that, unfortunately. My second question...

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: When I asked the question initially in my first round, Mr. O'Sullivan said that some had been delayed because of clarification. He is now saying they are not significant numbers.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: All the money has been drawn down. Regarding the two counties that did not draw down anything, that had nothing to do with clarifications.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: The budget, according to the opening statement or the figures we received, was €130 million. Will Mr. O'Sullivan give us a breakdown of that? I do not expect him to do so now. I would like to have a breakdown of what was spent on capital expenditure, waste services as Senator Flynn was talking about, and so on.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: I thank Mr. O'Sullivan.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: Our second engagement today is with the County and City Management Association, CCMA, to further discuss the matter of funding for Traveller-specific accommodation. I invite Ms Sinéad Carr of the CCMA to make her opening statement after which we will proceed to a question-and-answer session.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: We will move on to the members who have indicated their wish to speak. I call Deputy Connolly.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: That is a different question and the Deputy’s time is well up. Deputy Ellis has seven minutes.

Committee on Key Issues affecting the Traveller Community: Funding Strategy for Traveller-Specific Accommodation: Discussion (19 Jun 2025)

Maurice Quinlivan: Mr. D'Arcy would like to come in first.

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