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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Would it have been three?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Support staff. When did the one major individual retire?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: How long is that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: That was 2010.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Do any of the other witnesses know the date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: The person retired, which is fine, but there obviously was an issue and the lease had been entered into. Prior to the retirement of this individual - the principal individual - what discussion occurred on the matter?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is the witness saying the health and safety issue only emerged after this person had retired? Was there knowledge of this problem while the person was still in employment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who could tell us that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is no harm, but I want to stick to this issue. I do not want to get the wrong end of the stick, so I ask for a "Yes" or "No" answer. Was the lease signed in the knowledge that there was a problem with health and safety compliance? Is that the witness's understanding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: So there was a complication. The lease was signed and the person concerned was in employment for a period afterwards. Can the witness tell me what, if any, action or discussion was had with that person? It is not a good day out for any agency to be signing leases with health and safety issues and it is a really bad day out for any agency to sign a lease knowing there is a health and safety...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: The person who was responsible for the signing of the lease retired.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sin é. End of story.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: I appreciate that. Mr. O'Toole has appeared before the committee previously and we have pored over the entrails of FÁS and the controversies therein. I am not questioning his position in that respect. However, I do not believe one can create this new culture if there is what amounts institutional amnesia. We all understand that people come and go and people retire, and when one is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: What was the nature of the investigation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Presumably the investigation spoke to the person principally concerned with this matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did that include the principal person responsible for the signing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is that in the public domain?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: Do we have to make a freedom of information request? Can they be made available to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 17 - European Globalisation Adjustment Fund
FÁS Financial Statements 2012
National Training Fund
(4 Jul 2013)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is just for the purposes of illustration. I am not asking about all of the reports. On this specific issue, can the committee have that report and see the written response made? Did the Comptroller and Auditor Genera see that?

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