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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: They are over.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: All of that was dealt with.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Once the court dealt with it, the committee could resume its work. We are not waiting on anyone to lift an order to deal with it. What we will be short of is information because the witness who will appear before us, Mr. Tierney, is a new chairman. The question is how members want to proceed and what other witnesses they might want to invite.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: I asked the clerk the same question yesterday. We should emphasise this by asking the clerk to go back to the Department and to say we require those witnesses to attend in order to continue our investigation into the oversight by the Department of the DDDA.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: In the same week he is to appear before us, he is taking up his position as CEO of Irish Water.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Taking that as a position, the witnesses who will be required to attend will be asked to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Mr. Tierney will come in but I take it members are insisting a Department representative comes in and that the person who served on the board comes in, that is, to deal with the oversight of the DDDA. Arising from that meeting next week, it may be decided by members that others who are not now involved in the DDDA should come before us. If that is the case, members can name them and invite...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: I think it would be hard for them to ignore an initial request from the Committee of Public Accounts. It would depend then on what role we see them having played or how significant their contribution to the hearing might be as to what we might do to get them to attend.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Not the first time, or not when one initially requests them to attend. One can decide thereafter what one needs to do in terms of compellability.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: If it does arise, there is that way to deal with it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: We do not generally confine ourselves to the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: I agree, Deputy Fleming, and we have put the accounting officers on notice that we will not confine ourselves to the accounts listed - in this case, those of 2011. We have informed them that we will also be dealing with accounts for 2012 and into 2013.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: The other issue concerning the HSE is that it was reported that there was an issue concerning its internal accounts, about which a report was prepared. As I understand it, we have asked for copies of that internal report to assist us with our work and hopefully it will also be available to us at the meeting next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: I will put it on notice, in writing, after today's meeting. I will also forward a transcript of today's meeting to the HSE so that it clearly understands the feelings of the members of the committee. Is that agreed? Agreed. We will now move on to item No. 6 on our agenda, which is any other business. While I do not want to delay these proceedings any further, I wish to respond to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: I want to make it clear that I do not want to politicise this, this must be kept separate from the political cut and thrust of the argument around it. It is something I would not draw the Comptroller and Auditor General into but I feel, having examined the figures for the first time under that FOI request, that the information as outlined by me should be requested from both Departments.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: I want to clarify one or two things before we move on. We have witnesses to invite into the room. The building occupied by the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation is not owned by the Department. It is actually owned by the State and the OPW looks after it. My understanding is that it is a listed building. I wish to inform Deputy Harris that it was not my expenditure. The total...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: Perhaps the clerk will liaise with Deputy Ross on the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Apr 2013)

John McGuinness: We will proceed with the request made by Deputy Ross, which I presume is supported by members. The Deputy will assist the clerk to the committee with the issues he wishes to raise. The Comptroller and Auditor General will then consider the request and if that is accepted, representatives of the Central Bank could then come before the committee. The proposal made by Deputy Ross is supported...

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