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Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That is my own particular bugbear.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: There is a division in the Dáil. We will move to Deputy Lahart's questions.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: The Deputy can put some questions or we can suspend until after the vótail.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: They will be happy to hear there are not many vótála this evening.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay, I want to bring in Ms Murphy and then Deputy Patricia Ryan.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Such a study is a really important point. Go ahead Deputy Lahart.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Before I bring people in, the Deputy is way over his slot. I am mindful that Deputy Ryan has been waiting for the whole session so I ask people to keep their answers succinct.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Several other contributors want to come in on this.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: Who wants to answer first on which one recommendation they would reverse or reject?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I think Dr. Healy and I might agree on the one we would reject.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I will finish on two questions of my own. I will start on basic income. Representatives of Social Justice Ireland know I am a fully paid-up advocate for basic income so we do not need to start with the merits of it. I was involved in my party’s work on that. I agree with Social Justice Ireland's rejection of the commission’s position on it. The section on it was not...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I understand.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I have read it. I will move on to my second question. I appreciate Dr. O’Connor is pointing out the main thrust of the report is that we need to expand the tax base. I do not know if he has watched the other sessions, but when we have sectoral interests come in, we find it most difficult to get anybody to accept that we need to accrue more tax to the State. One way to do that would...

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: You would expect the State to lead on that. It is a huge employer. When it comes to employment and disability, where Ireland also does quite badly, the State is expected to lead. We have increased our expectation in Departments from 3% to 6%. I notice that in the UK, 10% of the workforce should self-identify as having a disability. Maybe we could look at something like that for older persons.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: There is a cost to training. I believe it was suggested at one stage that €15,000 was the cost of a new staff member in terms of training and administration. Is that a factor?

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: There is no such thing as a job for life anymore. People move on anyway.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: That might be something to use our national training fund for.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I agree.

Committee on Budgetary Oversight: Report of the Commission on Taxation and Welfare: Discussion (Resumed) (15 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: There are some very interesting things for us to think about as we write reports on this. As no others wish to ask further questions, I will conclude by apologising for the late finish. We were disrupted by the Dáil votes. I thank our witnesses for attending this evening. We hope to see them again.

Citizens' Assembly on Drugs Use: Motion (21 Feb 2023)

Neasa Hourigan: I very warmly welcome the establishment of the Citizens' Assembly on Drugs Use and the good work of the Minister of State, Deputy Naughton, and the former Minister of State, Deputy Feighan, on pushing forward with it. When we first got it into the programme for Government we viewed it as a way to allow the complexity of the drugs debate to be on the table but not under the consistent...

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