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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: How was the attendance at the 27 February meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: How was the attendance? Who was to attend? Why did Mr. Kerr not turn up?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Kerr called that a miscommunication, is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: What happened?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: So they did not tell Mr. Kerr that he was invited.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Was Mr. Kerr kept in the loop about everything?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: It seems to me that if Mr. Kerr was not kept in the loop about being invited to an Oireachtas committee, it is an extraordinary failure.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Hopefully, we will not have to ask Mr. Kerr again.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Would that be in keeping with what the clerk-----

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: I believe the point the Chairman is making - I would probably put it more bluntly – is that, increasingly, in particular since the chairman was not kept in the loop about this, it looks like the board of Rehab was simply a rubber-stamp for the chief executive. That is what it is beginning to look like. It seems she told the board what she felt like telling them. If Mr. Kerr did not...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: There was no real code of governance at all. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: There was no actual code by which the committee abided. The committee did not abide by any guidelines relating to board membership or length of board membership. I still do not know how, in the name of God, the board re-elected its members or appointed members. How were they appointed? The document states they were elected every year. By whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: By whom was the board elected every year?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: It was self-perpetuating.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: How were they replaced?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Therefore, current board members nominated new board members and that was how it went on.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Will Mr. Doyle tell the committee something about pay? Ms Kerins told the committee last time that her pay had not been reduced this year. Then, through her solicitor, she issued a letter last night, which, I imagine, the board members have seen, stating that this was incorrect, in other words, that she misled the committee on that. Mr. Doyle can confirm that.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: No, but Mr. Doyle can confirm what she says.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Does Mr. Doyle agree with her?

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