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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Is that early in May?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: The sooner, the better. I submitted a pile of freedom of information requests to the CRC and it refused them on the grounds that the administrator was holding an inquiry.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: First of all, I thank the Rehab directors for coming in, eventually. The session so far has reminded me more of Hamlet without the princess or the prince, than of anything else. We now have got the witnesses as second best to explain what happened and apologise for not being able to tell us a lot of what we wish to know. That is regrettable and it emphasises the need for us to bring in Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: In practice, would it be fair to say that the witnesses had control of the executives and were vigilant over them in view of what they said themselves about the lapses and faults they had?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Kerr felt he did have control.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Does Mr. Kerr still think that?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: In light of that, what does Mr. Kerr feel about the payments to Laragh.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes, okay. Does Mr. Kerr feel they were wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: What happened when they came to the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Was Mr. Kerr aware that Mr. Flannery was being paid large sums of money?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Did Mr. Kerr ask how much he was being paid there?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: He was on the board at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: No, but some of the time. He was being paid money but Mr. Kerr did not ask how much he was being paid.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes but before that, one did not ask how much he was being paid.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: This was therefore a payment made with the approval of Angela Kerins.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Correct. I am trying to find out who actually is in control of this company. That is why I am asking these questions. So these payments were made by the chief executive, with the approval of the chief executive apart from when he was on the board, unknown to Mr. Kerr.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: So Ms Kerins was in control of that. On the coffins issue, I think Mr. Poole said that there was a Mr. Lombard who was reporting on that issue, and he was reporting to Ms Kerins as well, is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Sorry, Mr. Horgan. I apologise. He was reporting to Ms Kerins as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: So, in effect, the control of both of those was in the control of the executive and really at arm's reach from the board, at best.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Kerr still thinks he was in control of the company.

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