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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: So it is 40% in the year to date. However, 60% of the bank's solutions in the second quarter were threatening legal letters. That is the bottom line. Mr. Duffy can say there is an issue there because of the Dunne judgment and the bank was not advancing files to that point because of the legal-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: What was the bank doing up to now with those files?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: This puts the issue of a sustainable solution and the definition of it into context. AIB's interpretation or application of that in quarter 2 was, in six out of ten cases, a threatening legal letter. That was its sustainable solution.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: I have only a couple of minutes left and will move on to the issue of strategic defaulters. Mr. Duffy has given his justification or rationale for his comment that these could be in the region of 20%. His comment that one quarter of holders of buy-to-let accounts made no repayments whatsoever in the past six months begs a question. Why is it that up to recently AIB had only appointed a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: How many?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Therefore, the bank is sitting on in excess of 1,000 buy-to-let properties where no payment has been made in six months. Many of these, presumably, are rented out and the landlord is receiving the rent, but AIB has just appointed a few dozen rent receivers. What is the justification for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Does Mr. O'Connor accept that what AIB has been doing in this area so far has not been good enough? It has not been active enough in that area. Bank of Ireland had appointed over 1,100 rent receivers over the same period. The Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan, responded to me in mid July that the figure for AIB was in low single digit figures. That is not good enough.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: I have a question for Mr. Duffy regarding the residents of Priory Hall. Some of these residents are AIB customers and I understand AIB has been involved in the conciliation process under Mr. Justice Finnegan. I understand that in most cases the mortgages have been subject to a moratorium, but interest is still accruing on many of them. As a first step, the residents want these mortgages to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: I know others will take up Mr. Duffy on that issue. Last year, Mr. Duffy indicated that he was going to write to former executives of the bank who are now retired, those who served between 2005 and 2008. Over 30 letters were issued asking them whether they would consider forgoing some of their pension voluntarily. I do not expect any names but I believe it is in the public interest that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with AIB (3 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Is Mr. Duffy prepared to give a response, even on an aggregate basis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Chairman, if possible, could we strip out quarter two as an entity in itself? That is what we would like to do. Is that possible?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: My point is that for the purposes of making the analysis as meaningful as possible, the bank must report to the Central Bank in respect of quarter two, the period to the end of June. Perhaps we might have details of that report, the number of offers made in quarter two and a breakdown of these offers. That is essentially what we are seeking.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Is that from the figure of 11,774?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: I welcome Mr. Boucher and his colleagues from Bank of Ireland. For the second day in a row, we have had a series of numbers thrown at us during the course of a meeting. As I stated yesterday, it is incredibly difficult for members to process this data, put it in context and frame appropriate questions. The information should have been provided in advance of the meeting. I acknowledge the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: I understand. I am seeking to clarify the issue and have Mr. Boucher confirm that we are not in a position to do an analysis of the offers made in quarter two of this year, whereas we are in a position to do an analysis of the forbearance arrangements and otherwise that have been agreed in respect of Bank of Ireland's arrears book as of the end of June. The relevant information is provided...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: My general point is that this highlights how flawed this process has been from the beginning. Yesterday, one of the pillar banks informed the joint committee that issuing 6,000 letters telling its customers to engage or it would go down the road of legal action constitutes a sustainable solution to their mortgage difficulties. Today, the second pillar bank informs us that it does not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Yes, that is clarified. The letters Mr. Boucher describes are much different from the 6,000 letters to which Allied Irish Banks referred yesterday.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: I am not asking Mr. Boucher to comment but making an observation. In terms of analysing Bank of Ireland's treatment of arrears cases, the middle two columns of the table on page 15 provide a breakdown of 3,603 accounts which are in arrears of 90 days or more and the arrangements that are in place in respect of these accounts. That is the information that we can analyse.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Generally speaking, if I were to characterise the data, they show typical forbearance measures, namely, interest only repayments, reduced payments, term extensions and the capitalisation of arrears. There are also 264 accounts in the category of "Other". How many of this latter category are split mortgages for owner-occupiers? Mr. Mason indicated the overall figure was 226.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Overview of Financial Sector: Discussion with Bank of Ireland (4 Sep 2013)

Michael McGrath: Spilt mortgages account for as many as 200 of the 264 accounts in this category, with the balance made up of a combination of the other measures.

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