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Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: While Mr. Boland says that everything is sub judiceand that he does not want to discuss the meeting or any aspect or the particulars of it, he is well able to mention at this meeting the extreme extravagance involved. Mr. Boland has made a very pointed statement regarding Professor Byrne but will not elaborate beyond that. He has just said it and I have written it down. I believe that was...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: It is not to disagree with, it is on the record. Mr. Boland just said it.

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: Okay. As far as this is concerned-----

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: -----it will probably end up in court and will be dealt with there. I have my own opinion on who will be successful in this. However, as the facts leak out about Professor Byrne and how he was dealt with, it is becoming more troubling. I am not the only member of this committee who is forming the same opinion. I have raised the matter previously and, on a personal level, I believe...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: They have been dealt with since.

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: I know I had an exchange with the Comptroller and Auditor General about audit committees and the role of the Higher Education Authority on the previous occasion. Does the Comptroller and Auditor General’s jurisdiction or remit cover a review of what was reported and what was not reported by an audit committees to the Higher Education Authority and how they all acted?

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: The specific question is ultimately about responsibility and who acted at the time. The Comptroller and Auditor General has heard the discussion going on. Much of the blame has been laid at one particular location. There are audit committees in all of these institutes. The suggestion is that, in many respects, they may not have carried out their functions and reported to the Higher...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: Okay. I understand from where the Comptroller and Auditor General is coming. I might return to this at another time. I thank Dr. Murphy and Professor Donnelly for attending. Mr. Séan Ó Foghlú and Mr. Tom Boland referred to the sports campus and Waterford Institute of Technology. Is it the case that the contract issues were dealt with yesterday and this work will...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: I am going to park that once and for all. That is good news and positive for the institute. Has the loan for Manor Village been agreed and finalised with the Department of Education and Skills?

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: In his opening statement, the Comptroller and Auditor General referred to the subsidiaries formed with regard to the sports campus at Waterford Institute of Technology. Is it the case there is an improvement and we are heading towards finalising this issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: That is fine. It is being dealt with. On procurement, Mr. Ó Foghlú referred to the Institute of Technology, Tallaght and made a pointed remark that the education sector is the worst when it comes to non-compliance with procurement guidelines. Based on what he said, I am not going to say it is endemic or systemic. However, it seems to have got worse and seems to be a serious...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: That is fair enough. Professor Donnelly, there is a bigger subtext in respect of the current status of Waterford Institute of Technology. With regard to what we have been dealing with in respect of the institute, namely, regularising what seems to have taken place, we are at a point where we must move on, as the Controller and Auditor General is making clear. Financial systems and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: As far as timelines are concerned, could we have an update on when Professor Donnelly expects the next phase to be completed, if all goes well?

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: That is understandable. I understand the input of Mr. Ó Foghlú is critical in this. Obviously, his oversight is ongoing. Could he comment on the process?

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: The Department's financial backing for these initiatives is an indication of its support. That is fair enough and clear. Professor Donnelly's statement on the Chinese market was interesting. I acknowledge it is probably non-compliant; we will not go there. How did the officials get on? I realise the professor’s institute is not the only one that has considered the Chinese...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: It is fair to say that both the Chairman and I have spoken about Waterford and Carlow institutes of technology outside these meetings. We have had a good few meetings in the past three or four years. The purpose of today’s meeting was really to draw a line under the issues that have dogged the institute in Waterford in the recent past. Apart from the issue concerning Mr. Byrne, it...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: I was just seeking clarification.

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: I have a question for Mr. Ó Foghlú on an issue that has been raised on a number of occasions in the Dáil in recent days, namely, the proposal to establish an education ombudsman. Deputy Jim Daly raised it on the Order of Business this week. Since then, we found out that the Education (Admission to Schools) Bill 2015, which is the vehicle under which the proposal was made,...

Public Accounts Committee: Waterford Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
Cork Institute of Technology: Financial Statements 2013
(10 Dec 2015)

John Deasy: I understand.

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