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Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: The problem with this is that people who see themselves acting in a context where the State has all the power and all the money, and is in a position to ensure these services will be provided in a way that is widespread, are a million miles away from being what some people would like to call conscientious obstructors even if they wanted to be. It simply has no reality. They are people who...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I am happy to be directed to the section.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: The Bill states the Act of 2011 means the Nurses and Midwives Act.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I apologise. I stand corrected. I thank Senator Bacik.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: It applies to student doctors also.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I am happy to accept that.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: As the Minister can see, I am not allergic to the truth.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: Others are.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: People who want to go their way peacefully and, as I said, do not want to get drawn into practices-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I found Senator Bacik's comments interesting. She stated many might take the view there ought not to be any provision for conscientious objectors while acknowledging it is a human right. This goes to the heart of the problem and the heart of the fears that many people have, that there is something about the abortion movement that is not content to let people go their own way peacefully. It...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I have never claimed to have expertise in this area-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: -----but when it comes to relying on people I have more respect for the professionals who have got in touch with me, who are so worried about this, who have done their homework and who have asked the few in the Dáil and Seanad who share their concerns to represent their point of view, than to allow them to be dissed and dismissed, whether it be by Senator Reilly despite his medical...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: I am the only one in the House who has shown-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: The trouble is that many people in the constituency in which Senator Reilly resides, and indeed in other constituencies, would not feel comfortable approaching Government figures at this stage because they do not feel listened to or appreciated.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: In fact, they feel spoken down to.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: At least Senator Norris has a track record of surprising people with his independent thinking on occasions, even if he is - in my view - completely wrong-headed on this issue. What we have had from the Government has been a culture of arrogance and spin right from the get-go.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: It should come as no surprise to anybody that learn that pharmacists, midwives and nurses do not trust the Minister-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: -----or, indeed, his predecessor, Senator Reilly.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: It should not come as a surprise.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Rónán Mullen: A great deal has been said about trust during this debate. Frankly, the Government has destroyed trust in ways I have demonstrated several times over the past couple of-----

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