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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: That has been described by a number of farm organisations including farm and forestry contractors as an insult. A number of other farming organisations described it as insufficient. Does the Minister believe this reduction has made a meaningful impact on farming families given the pressures they are under and given the increasing costs of agri-fuel diesel and its impact on their operations?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The Minister says it would offer help. Would the Minister not describe it as meaningful?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: On 1 May, I understand that the carbon tax increase we have been discussing as it applies to home heating oil will also apply to agri-diesel under the section of other heavy oil.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: So what will the charge be per 1,000 litres? What will be the rate of mineral oil tax on agri-fuel?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: So, it is exactly as it was on 9 March, before the Minister brought in these measures.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The Minister has brought in measures that amounts to a two cent reduction in agri-diesel, which the Minister has just described as being "meaningful" and "helpful", and which offer help to farm families, and seven weeks later they will be paying the exact same rate as they were.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The difference is that, unfortunately, the Minister made the decision that increases on petrol and diesel applied from last year, so the reductions the Minister applied on 10 March will apply to them until he lifts them, currently scheduled for 1 September. For agri-diesel, the increase is set to come in on 1 May. Essentially, the Minister has offered farm families, farm contractors and...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: No, the Minister reduced agri-diesel by 10 cent per litre on 10 March, from €138.17 per 1,000 l to €120.55. He will now increase it again, back to €138.17. As agri-diesel is generally purchased in tanks, most farmers and contractors will have had, at best, one fill in which they benefited from the reduction. The Minister has given the sector, which is under huge...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The Minister is asking for credit for-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: -----increasing the carbon tax and giving people a seven-week break from that increase.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Perhaps-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am sure somewhere in the Minister's mind there is logic in what he is saying. Can he outline the total mineral oil tax rate as it applies to agri-diesel on 1 September?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: In this instance, I-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Here are the facts-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Here are the facts, which are as logical as the Minister wants them to be. On 9 March 2022, the income derived by the Government from mineral oil tax on agricultural diesel amounted to €138.17. The Government made a measure on 10 March that reduced that to €120.55. On 1 May, the Government's take will increase to €138.17 again, back to where it was on 9 March, and on 1...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is happening on 1 September.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I will come to that but I have asked a specific question on the alternatives.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The Minister said "not readily available" Can I take it that is his term for "does not exist"? The only alternative to farmers using tractors, in terms of technology, is not to produce the food they are producing. On the double taxation relief measures the Minister mentioned, I am sure he is aware, because Deputy Doherty and I have raised the issue, of farm contractors carrying out an...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: If they are making adequate profits, yes.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Finance (Covid-19 and Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2022: Committee Stage (6 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Again, if they are making adequate profits, yes.

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