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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Did Mr. Conlan learn about the trips that had taken place prior to his being appointed CEO?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: It seems to me that either Mr. Conlan was not terribly vigilant or he was being kept in the dark about an awful lot of things.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Conlan, as a board member, knew nothing about the travel.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Conlan as chief executive knew nothing about the study days, which could have cost a great deal of money. I think many of them had to be cancelled.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: You would not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Thank you.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I thank the Commissioner for coming in today. I ask him to expand on what he has just said. I have a feeling that we have a dialogue of the deaf going on here today. The Commissioner said that if anybody goes into the system in search of wrongdoing, that is absolutely wrong. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: We are talking about whistleblowers. If they feel there is something wrong in the system and they are in search of wrongdoing does Mr. Callinan think they should not do it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: If they do not have confidence in the procedure what course of action should they taken then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: What would they be expected to do if they do not have any confidence in the procedure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I know, but if they do not have confidence in those procedures, surely the only option open to them is to pursue it in the way they did.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: What other options do they have?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Callinan is aware that there have been cases of many people – I will not quote them to him because it would probably be invidious – who have been victimised because they were whistleblowers. They had no confidence in the system and lost their jobs. They did not find the whistleblowing systems adequate. If one supposes that the people in this case decided, which I suspect...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Obviously their engagement with the system was unsatisfactory.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: We will have to agree to disagree. I, and all members of the committee, have the advantage over Mr. Callinan, of having seen the unredacted evidence. Mr. Callinan will get the redacted evidence at some stage. I am alarmed by something to which Deputy Harris also alluded. It was useful to see the unredacted form, not for any prurient interest in the names, but because of the extraordinary...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: No, but if that were the case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes, absolutely, in so far as I can be. It was the same name and address.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I think that is fair enough because Mr. Callinan has not seen the document. He will no doubt see it in due course. I have a problem which I am not sure Mr. Callinan understands. He said matters of such importance should not be discussed here in this body. What does Mr. Callinan mean by that statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Callinan was talking about the whistleblowers and their allegations. I think he was making a distinction between the loss of revenue and the information. Why should they not be discussed here?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: The context is quite clear. Mr. Callinan said that matters-----

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