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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Two months.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Two months.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: There was an interim CEO.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: When was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: So, Ms Hardiman had come back-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Was Ms Hardiman on sick leave? She said that was up in January.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: So, Ms Hardiman went on sick leave and then administrative leave.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: January 2025. So, the deputy was there for a year, pretty much. It was 14 months.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: I just wanted that clarified. Ms Hardiman is saying that the legal situation was that because she was there ten years, five years in a previous role and then that role for five years, she essentially had a guaranteed contract. Is that what she is saying? Is that the trusted legal case?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Does that mean that is the case with all five year contracts? Is it because she had five years or because she had ten? Does it draw a question mark over all five-year contracts we have with CEOs or what is the situation?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: What is the term to allow a fixed term?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: In her current role, has Ms Hardiman a team?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Is Ms Hardiman still on the senior management team?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Do they meet regularly with weekly senior management meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Is Ms Hardiman on that senior management team? I presume she meets the senior management team weekly.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Not the operations but Ms Hardiman is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: Okay. Returning to this infamous report in 2021-2022 was it because Ms Hardiman had questions on what was happening? She had concerns.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: She had concerns which is fair. So, she did a report and she is saying she acted on that and was happy to leave it aside.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: And to clarify-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2023 - Children's Health Ireland
Financial Statements - National Treatment Purchase Fund
(3 Jul 2025)

Joe Neville: To clarify, was the consultant referred to at the centre of some of these questions highlighted in this report?

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