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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Certainly, but it was-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: The CRC had lent CRC Medical Devices €550,000. It set up the business. It was vital to the CRC that CRC Medical Devices made money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes, I understand that, but I do not accept it. What I am asking here is whether the CRC, of which Mr. Conlan was a director, was fatally conflicted in that it was in a position to order and was ordering wheelchairs and other products from CRC Medical Devices? It was recommending that clients went to it, possibly because it would benefit.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Was Mr. Conlan not aware of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I do not want to labour the point, but would Mr. Conlan, as a director of the CRC, not have found out how the company which was set up and to which it lent €550,000 was operating and what its relationship was with the company of which Mr. Conlan was a director? It was very important to Mr. Conlan that the relationship worked. It was very important to Mr. Conlan that it was straight...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Conlan is aware of it now. Does he accept it now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: If Mr. Conlan did not go to many board meetings then I am not surprised. It is an extraordinary situation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Yet Mr. Conlan stated in his presentation today that having served on the board of the CRC for eight years he felt very qualified to apply.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: That did not relate to the CRC.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I have a few more questions, Chairman, if that is okay. I will not be long.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I will come back in again. I will finish with the medical devices company. I have some other questions to ask later but I will come back later. Is that okay? I have some important questions for later but I will leave them. I will finish this section on the CRC medical devices company. Mr. Conlan came in. This company was a dog. It lost money every year. I cannot understand why it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Why was there no tender?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: The company was guaranteed and underwritten by the Friends and Supporters of the CRC. It was not going to go bust. There was €14 million sitting in the Friends and Supporters of the CRC account guaranteeing it. A letter of support went from the Friends and Supporters of the CRC stating it would support the company. How could it go bust?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: That is a different thing from going bust.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: That may have been no harm. The problem is that the CRC sold the company to MMS.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: There was a close relationship between Mr. Conlan and MMS and the various people involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Yes, but Mr. Conlan was not around much. By his own admission he did not have time to go down there too often.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: I know that. That is all. Mr. Conlan was also on the board for eight years. This is my final question on this section. I will come back again. Did Mr. Conlan ever travel on behalf of the CRC or MMS?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Did Mr. Conlan ever travel before that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

Shane Ross: Did Mr. Conlan not travel to somewhere else in Germany?

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