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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: To go backwards, what were the figures for 2011 and 2010? The 2008 report from the Comptroller and Auditor General suggests that debt in the five year bracket is approximately the same amount. What is the figure and why is it there? As the debt and the analysis age, the money must become harder to collect. For example, what is the value of the debt in the five year bracket in the past few...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I understand that. For example, in terms of the age debt for 2012, there is an amount of tax for a five year period. The figure seems to be the same for 2011 and 2010 on the graph. What is that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: What is its value?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: According to the graph, it is 40% covering a five year period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: Within it, taking account of what Ms Feehily said, approximately two thirds is subject to appeal.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: What is happening with the remainder?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: Does it mean the amount of debt written off will reduce?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I would not say it is a simple mind.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I will give Ms Feehily the benefit of my simple mind on it. Revenue collected €36 billion last year and is expected to collect €38 billion this year. The Government parties by way of policy decided that they wanted more taxes and then asked Revenue to collect them. They are, therefore, asking it to collect €250 million this year in the local property tax and double...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I am sure they would not want to go near a property tax now. If Revenue had collected the outstanding taxes, they might not have gone near the tax. I do not want Ms Feehily to comment on that, but I would like her to address the question of efficiently collecting and establishing the taxes due, including the appeals, in order that there is a little write-off at the other end. That requires...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I am not suggesting that the Revenue should be ruthless. I am just suggesting early intervention with some of those that will obviously subsequently appear on its aged-debt list. While I know encouragement and management at an early stage takes up resources, it might be a better way than having them end up in the hard core of debt based on Ms Feehily's analysis.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I ask about the relationship between Revenue and the sheriff. What happens up to the point when Revenue decides to send a case to the sheriff for collection? I have seen cases where matters are resolved with the sheriff. If they could resolve them with the sheriff, taking into consideration all the penalties that attracts, why do they not resolve them directly with the Revenue before they...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: Do people believe that the sheriff is just an extension of Revenue's office and not an independent entity? That is what it is and Revenue refers it to the sheriff-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: ----- and it has no control over it. It would appear that the customer just does not understand that if it goes to the sheriff it is completely out of Revenue's hands. That is an independent office that incurs costs the customer must pay. Is it something on which they need to be educated?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: Perhaps that should be part of the message.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: If that explanation was included with the information Revenue gives about the costs, it might be a help to the customer to understand-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: -----that it is out of Revenue's hands once it goes there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Chapter 7 - Audit of Revenue 2011
Chapter 8 - Revenue Outturn 2011
Chapter 9 - Revenue Debt Collection
Chapter 10 - Increasing Tax Compliance
(21 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: I thank the witnesses for attending today's meeting and the members for their contribution. I propose that we dispose of Vote 9 and chapters 7, 8, 9 and 10. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Other Questions: Social Media Regulation (26 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources the measures he will take in tackling cyberbullying; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [10087/13]

Written Answers — Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources: Alternative Energy Projects (26 Feb 2013)

John McGuinness: To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources his assessment of the future for the biofuels sector here; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [10082/13]

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