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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Is that in terms of people who work yet claim social protection payments?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Undeclared?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: The local property tax might also show up something.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: The last page of the Waterford case study shows how Revenue got on last year and this year. Can Ms Feehily summarise the last page of the case study? I added the figures and got €1.6 million but I am afraid I may have double counted. What is the yield so far or the expected yield?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Was that the yield from the Waterford case study?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Ms Feehily said that out of those 600 cases there were 100 cases really.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: The 500 cases were eliminated and 32 were closed due to showing little or no money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: It was Mickey Mouse money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Ms Feehily said 10% or about 60 out of the 600 cases yielded €2.5 million. Has the scheme been completed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Correct. The average yield from those 60 cases is about €40,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Revenue eliminated 500 cases very quickly, examined 100, and 32 were-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I know it took a lot of work to reach the 60 or 70 cases Revenue pursued.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I return to the Comptroller and Auditor General's opening figure of €1.3 billion which ended up with €200 million. If one extrapolates the €2.5 billion, in terms of the turnover of those companies, across what he referred to, what would Revenue come up with? There is no point just examining the Waterford office and declaring that a detailed audit of 70 cases yielded an...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: They are different issues. Mr. McCarthy referred to one of my last points and perhaps he will comment on my next issue. Everything we have talked about so far is related to exports and the potential risk of us not getting VAT that may be sent to an unregistered trader in another EU country. We are discussing a potential loss that may not be a real loss at all. Is there a risk coming the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Can that information be extrapolated? I ask Mr. McCarthy to explain how it was that the Waterford case dealt with imports. Was that a separate exercise? The report seemed to concentrate on exports but the Waterford cases are related to imports. I ask that this be explained for non-technical people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Just to confuse us completely.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: On the right-hand side?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Where does Mr. McCarthy think the greatest risk of loss lies? Is it on the import or export side?

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