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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Perhaps Mr. Nugent will help me to come to the proper conclusion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is Deputy Commissioner Rice still with the force?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is not in Mr. Niall Kelly's report. He skips a section and says, "the next significant step", and it is not that. Will he explain that to me?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: If we look at page 13 of Mr. Kelly's report, in response on 8 May, the then Commissioner agreed, and I have set that out. We move forward. The next significant step is on 10 March. That is a huge gap.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Was Mr. Kelly not aware of Deputy Commissioner Rice's opinion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Even though he was in charge of the college?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can anybody explain that big gap?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: If Mr. Kelly had been aware of this, would he have included it in his report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Has he read it since?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Why not? Why has he not seen this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We have an interim audit. The reason that it is interim is because there are further serious questions. Is that not right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: There is a big gap. As I mentioned, Deputy David Cullinane went through this forensically. I will finish this question as otherwise I will lose my train of thought. Mr. Kelly went through it forensically and then stopped. When I look back over it, however, I find a big gap. The Garda Commissioner says she is taking this seriously, while the head of the college, a deputy commissioner, says...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We will go back to confidence agus, trí Ghaeilge, ag cothú muiníne i measc an phobail. Ní féidir muinín a chothú i measc an phobail agus na finnéithe ag freagairt mar seo. It is impossible to say we have confidence in the Garda if this is what is happening even now. This issue dates back to 2006. We have the Commissioner's initial statement which I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not want assurances; I want the facts and documents. We will then draw our own conclusions. The reason the Commissioner is here is that assurances were given in the past and they have not been acted on. That is why we are here with Mr. Kelly's report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am not asking for an apology. Our role is to hold people to account. We do not want to do this and it would be easier if we did not have to do so, as we say repeatedly when asking questions. On the leasing out of the farm, I think I was told the acreage, but I have forgotten what it was. How many acres of land are involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: They were leased out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that. What I want to get to is the leasing out, the cost, who valued the land and how the decision was made on the price.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am talking about the lease and getting the money back.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I heard all of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It does not change after that.

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