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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Ms Murphy is here as a witness and she has an expertise. If there was a more explicit definition of "clinically appropriate", people would rest a lot better. Is it possible or can we have further definition on that? It appears to be an issue for many people. Obviously, when there is a debate on things there can be an unintended development, and this is the unintended development. It was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: I thank the witnesses for attending. Some of the clarity that was brought to the discussion by the clinicians is very welcome. It is important, however, to put on record that the number of terminations that have taken place in St. Vincent's between 2016 and 2021 is fewer than five, that is, anywhere between zero and four. That information came in reply to a parliamentary question last...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: According to the reply to the parliamentary question, which is part of the record of the House, it is less than five. That is anywhere between zero and four.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: I am afraid we did not get figures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: I suggest it is fewer than four.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: With respect, sterilisation would not fall into this category. What worries me is the phrase "clinically required". If it is not clinically required but patients wish to go ahead with it because they deem it in their best interests, would it be provided? I suggest probably not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: I will move on to Mr. Menton. Would Mr Menton describe himself as a hands-on chair? Would he consider himself more of an executive chair than an non-executive chair?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: How would he describe himself?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Is he briefed on all strategic decisions the hospital and group consider? Is he aware of major policy initiatives and engagements or discussions with third parties?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: That is okay. Deputy Shortall has spoken to Mr. Menton about the debt. He put up a vigorous defence of it. I would describe it as perilous. We are speaking about €452 million of debt and there are €200 million in assets. Through no fault of Mr. Menton, as a result of Covid the situation is deteriorating and the 2021 accounts will make very interesting reading with regard to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: There was no engagement whatsoever and no discussion. The financial lenders had no concern as to what would happen with what is probably the most valuable piece of land in the city of Dublin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Hang on a second. Mr. Menton's initial answer was "No". Now he is telling us it consulted. Which is it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: The ownership of the land issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Mr. Menton must bear in mind he is at a meeting of an Oireachtas committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: It is important to give correct information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Three or four months' time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Mr. Menton can categorically assure the committee and the people looking in that the banks at no stage persuaded or suggested, either covertly or overtly, formally or informally, that it would not be a good idea to gift the land to the State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (16 May 2022)

Martin Conway: Is Mr. Menton sure of that?

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