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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I have referred some of my questions to it and I accept its view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: What about the company's audited financial statements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: The company has been asked to revert by the end of June.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Ms Feehily should ensure it answers the question to her satisfaction, and what is put in the VIES returns should reconcile with the audited financial statements. The €200 million is a theoretical figure and I do not know the breakdown between the VAT rate on goods versus services. Nevertheless, it is a figure that demonstrates a risk. The annual report published last week mentioned...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: When the Revenue Commissioners write to companies seeking a VAT number, according to a report there is no new check to see if the new VAT number is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Can the VIES rules be changed without an EU process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: That brings us to the carousel or the missing trader fraud issue. A company could be set up and be very active, but it is gone when the time comes to chase it. The Comptroller and Auditor General's report refers to missing trader fraud. Paragraph 11.44 on page 165 states the Revenue Commissioners have not tried to estimate the scale of missing trader or carousel fraud in Ireland or the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: We have all seen acres of land in the past few years with plant and machinery on it. Much of the machinery has been sold for export. Obviously, the Revenue Commissioners have a concern. Perhaps the witness might give us some information on that exercise.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Did the witness say that of the 102 traders examined in the plant and machinery sector, 17 are missing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: The witness cannot comment on specifics, but does she think some of the 17 cases could result in prosecutions, similar to the two in the motor trade?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: What checks are carried out on outstanding balances? One of the Sunday newspapers produces a list of judgments every week and those who buy that newspaper can see them. The Collector General is often listed as the person obtaining the judgment. I have seen the names and addresses of companies in the midlands - I am not talking about my county - against which the Revenue Commissioners had...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I will refer to the note the witness provided a couple of days ago with further information and an update relating to the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. Dealing with the first recommendation on VAT and inter-company trade, the note states Revenue Commissioners districts have been given a role in following up unmatched VIES data this year. Why has it taken until this year for the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: I will move to the last paragraph on page 3 of the same document and the Waterford case study. It is recommendation 11.4. Again, the witness talks about Eurofisc and various checks being carried out. She has said a new social network tool is being explored to identify potential fraudulent business networks. Will she explain this? The paragraph also states it is expected this tool will be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Are they only starting now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Big Brother is watching.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Has that been done internally? Is Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs service doing something similar?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Is it a new thing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 11: VAT on Intra-Community Trade
(9 May 2013)

Seán Fleming: Revenue has improved its communication links with the Department of Social Protection. I can see Ms Feehily smiling, and she is probably thinking the same as me. Does she envisage Revenue extending the social network tool to include PRSI numbers? Obviously we have been conscious of difficulties over the years, for example, instances where computers did not match. I shall not mention the...

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