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Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Senators are making the point, validly, that the discussion must be confined to the amendments under discussion. They have made their point and-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: The Senator has spoken on it-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: -----but it is not relevant to the amendments we are discussing.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I will make the point one last time that Senators are to speak only on the amendments that are under discussion. The issue of emails being sent, if it was in relation to-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Only if it relates to the deposit of records with the Minister.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Sorry, Senator Boylan-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: The Senator must address her points through the Chair. If she has an issue with what a Member has said, there is no problem in raising it but it must be done through the Chair.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: May I clarify the position on a point of order? If the Senator wants to give way, Senator Seery Kearney has 30 seconds.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Thirty seconds.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: If the Senator wants to make a point of order, she must ask the Senator in possession. We cannot have a discussion in the Chamber. Comments must be made through the Chair. If a Senator wants to intervene, she or he must, under Standing Order 39, ask the Senator in possession to allow the intervention, and 30 seconds are allowed for the intervention.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Does the point of order relate to the Standing Orders of the House?

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I am sorry, but that does not relate to Standing Orders.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Please, Senator.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: The Minister without interruption. There will be no more points of order allowed if people are going to use the opportunity to raise-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: That opportunity was available to Senator Gavan when he was on his feet. He is not allowed to contribute a second time. I cannot have Senators contributing a second time.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Under the rules of the House, the Senator will have an opportunity under the next grouping to raise issues-----

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Senator, please.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: I ask the Senator to respect the rules of the House. If Members are going to stand up claiming a point of order but, when I ask them whether it relates to the Standing Orders of the House, they say it does when it clearly does not, I would appreciate it if they instead respected not only the rules of the House, but also the Minister, who is on his feet replying, as is his right. That is the...

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: No. I will not allow anyone else to contribute now. The Minister is on his feet discussing group 3. We have agreed the rules and the procedure. The Minister without interruption.

Seanad: Commission of Investigation (Mother and Baby Homes and certain related Matters) Records, and another Matter, Bill 2020: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (23 Oct 2020)

Mark Daly: Next is group 4 on the redaction of certain records. Group 4 is the subject matter of amendments Nos. 8 and 9 from the Dáil and Seanad Report Stage amendments Nos. 5 to 10, inclusive. Before I ask the Minister to speak on the subject matter of group 4, I will outline the procedure again, given that Senators are coming and going. Senators are entitled to speak once on this Stage. They...

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