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Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: May I share my time with Senator Whelan, so that each of us gets three minutes?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: I welcome the Minister to the House. The hardest task we have to perform every year is to implement the Social Welfare Bill. I commend the Minister on this Bill because, like others, I was bracing myself for something much worse than what has hit us. Prior to the budget my colleagues and I asked her that she protect people with disabilities, child benefit, the carer's allowance, the...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: Did the Members opposite make a pre-budget submission on how they would take €290 million out of the social welfare budget?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: I would like to know what measures they proposed.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: If they want to reverse the measures in regard to maternity benefit, they should explain to the Minister where else we can find the money in the social welfare budget.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: There is no area in social welfare in which one will not hurt somebody.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: Somebody has to get hurt in this.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: May have my three minutes?

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: In regard to the talk of cuts to social welfare for those aged under 26 years, I understand nobody is sustaining a cut. A cut occurs when one is in receipt of money which is then taken away. Whatever rate of payment these individuals are on, they will retain it.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: That is my understanding of it. There are many married couples who are younger than 26 years. They will not be affected by these measures once they are married. The Senator probably did not know that. As regards education and training schemes, I worked with young people over the years as a community welfare officer. I remember people who came into my office to sign on at the age of 18,...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Second Stage (Resumed) (5 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: -----social welfare fraud has been mentioned and it is something we need to do more about. I am prepared to work with the Minister on that because we need to eliminate fraud in general.

Seanad: Order of Business (6 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: I welcome the reopening of the Fr. Niall Molloy case by the appointment of a senior counsel. Senator John Whelan and I have been calling for action on the issue for several years. After 28 years of inaction by politicians, campaigning by Fr. Molloy's family and the great work done by Gemma O'Doherty of the Irish Independent, matters are now moving in the right direction. What remains to be...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: I am glad Senator Norris raised the supplementary welfare allowance and how it can replace the payment on some occasions for some people. I was beginning to think nobody on that side of the House had heard what the Minister said. With regard to Senator Norris's question about the size of the supplementary welfare allowance budget, it is a demand led scheme so the money must be available for...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: There is no alterative.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: The poor Queen is at fault again. It is all her fault.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: In the first instance, I wish to refer to a matter that was touched on earlier by the Minister regarding the self-employed. While the Minister made the case quite well herself, it cannot be stated often enough in this House that under the previous Administration, the Department insisted on the previous year's accounts in the case of a self-employed person who sought social welfare payments....

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Committee Stage (6 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: Yes, but they still are significant. It still is a fair point that needed to be made and I made it to them. I agree with another concern they raised and have referred to it previously. While the Minister has tackled this issue to some degree, it is something that is easily achievable. I believe Senator van Turnhout also mentioned it. It pertains to people who are in part-time employment,...

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (7 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: There was no cut.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (7 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: We have spent three days discussing all of this.

Seanad: Social Welfare and Pensions Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (7 Nov 2013)

John Kelly: How would the Senator respond?

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