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Order of Business (7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Is there a time limit to contributions?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: I welcome the witnesses. Mr. Fred Barry is switching from Galway East to Galway West in terms of questioners. I wonder if he can provide an update on the Galway city outer bypass before I turn to my primary issue. A great deal of money has been spent to bring the bypass scheme to where it is, yet it seems to be mired in legal difficulties. How much money has the Department spent on it and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: What has that got the Department so far?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Has that money been spent exclusively on planning and legal fees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Is the worst case scenario being planned for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Have you any idea when the European Court of Justice will deliver its judgment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Is the Advocate General's opinion positive or negative from the Department's point of view?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: I wish to talk about the issue of motor taxation, which I think Mr. Tom O'Mahony deals with. I welcome him back to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: It seems from the Comptroller and Auditor General's report that the motor taxation system is very convoluted in terms of the number of players involved including the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport, the Revenue Commissioners, the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, local authorities and the Garda, which is responsible for enforcement, and others. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: The Comptroller and Auditor General's report comments on the studies on the M50 to which Mr. O'Mahony refers, in July and September 2010 and March and June 2011, which found that 7% did not have current motor tax. Is the M50, as an isolated point in the country, a representative sample? Not everybody on the western seaboard would travel regularly on the M50. There might be different...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: I am not being pedantic but the Comptroller and Auditor General's report states that in order to tackle the problem it must be possible to assess it correctly. The Comptroller and Auditor General is of the view that the current system is not effective. Mr. O'Mahony has accepted that and has agreed to put a better system in place following the recommendation. What progress has been made on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Is that isolated to vehicle off the road taxation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Can Mr. O'Malley give an example of how the UK model is different from the system in Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Here people who have not paid their road tax but decide that they want to legitimise it claim it was off the road and get it certified as such, whereas in the UK one must first say the vehicle will be off the road and one wants permission not to pay tax.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: On the Department's view of the estimated 5%, which the M50 study found to be 7%-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: If we were to get the rate down to the UK level of 0.7%, which seems to be possible, what are the Department's estimates of the savings to the State?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: So the entire savings would be €50 million, not €40 million or anything like that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: As far as Mr. O'Mahony is aware, is that legislation well under way? I accept that it is coming from a different Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: Has it been budgeted for?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments Under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 26 - Collection of Motor Taxation
Financial Statements 2011 - National Roads Authority
(7 Feb 2013)

Derek Nolan: I will not press Mr. O'Mahony on that. The Department is responsible for maintaining the national vehicle and driver file, NVDF. The report expresses some concern about its accuracy and how up to date and relevant it is. I gather there are 5.8 million vehicles on the register, of which 5.1 million are current, 2.5 million of which are taxed and 2.6 million untaxed. We have a legacy issue...

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