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Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: On a point of order, it would seem from examining the record of the House, that the Ceann Comhairle's ruling on a vote on the Order for Second Stage might be in error. We have looked at the precedents set by his predecessors on a number of occasions and they are very clear. The Order of Business for the day was exactly as it was today. The order simply stated that the business today shall...

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: That is absolutely correct but we did not have any vote on the Order for Second Stage. That was not included.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: I need to press the case further because I believe the Ceann Comhairle is in error. We did not make an Order for Second Stage this morning. That is required to be done before Second Stage can be taken. There are precedents for this. In the short time available to me, I was able to find three clear precedents where this occurred. The only ruling counter to what I am arguing was where the...

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: That is what the Order of Business is for.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: The Ceann Comhairle might as well suggest that Second Stage of the Bill, which was ordered this morning, will be taken automatically and that there will be no vote on it.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: That would be nonsense. What we did was set out a time-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: Before we reach the Second Stage of the Bill, it is required that the House make on Order for Second Stage. That was not done today. The Minister proposed it, the Ceann Comhairle asked if we agreed to and when we disagreed-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: This is a serious issue

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: No. This is a matter-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: This is not a matter for any committee. It is a matter to be dealt with on the floor of this House. If he insists on, and persists with, it, the Ceann Comhairle's ruling would set a new precedent that there was no need for an Order for Second Stage. That is a requirement for any legislation going through this House. The Minister quite rightly proposed the order. I am not suggesting the...

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: How can we be in order with the Second Stage-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: I am asking the Ceann Comhairle to adjourn the House for ten minutes so that this matter can be discussed and clarified.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: I do not believe her Second Stage speech is in order because there is no Order for Second Stage-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: -----as the Ceann Comhairle did not allow it. In fact, the Ceann Comhairle was on his feet to call a vote on the matter.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: We cannot proceed with the Second Stage of a Bill-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: I am very much in order by asking-----

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: I am making a very serious point of order about the procedure and the way the House should proceed. I am quite certain that the Ceann Comhairle erred in his earlier ruling. We are asking for that to be corrected.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: That is not really dealing with the matter at hand. We have a situation where we are on Second Stage of a Bill without an order being made for Second Stage. The Ceann Comhairle cannot proceed.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: I am making a point of order. I insist I am heard on it.

Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Bill 2009: Second Stage (10 Dec 2009)

Emmet Stagg: It is a point of order.

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