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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Arein camerameetings part of the normal procedures of the new ETB? Does it hold many in camerameetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: During this difficult, challenging period, many in camera meetings were held, for which there is no minute, and they were not open to the public. Does Mr. Owens feel that could have been intimidating for the people involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Have the former chief executive officers been appointed to other boards? What are they doing now?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is that a full-time job?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: With regard to the mileage expenses and so on of former chief executive officers, what did Mr. Owens find in his investigation?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: How much would they have been approximately?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Was it not a higher figure?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Clearly, when one considers the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, the inaction by the Department and the implementation of the new structure, Mr. Owens has a critical job. The backbone of the economy is workers and their education. We have people returning to lifelong learning and with all the important qualifications that are required, the management structure within the ETB has a...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Mr. Owens has a difficult job today as he retrospectively reconciles issues from 2011-12 that did not happen under this watch. The message for the Department is the first call of duty should not be to a legal adviser because mediation is important. Legal eagles are expensive. Would Mr. Owens recommend a mediation service in future?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: There are 16 different authorities now. Is that correct, Mr. Ó Foghlú?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: This is just one under the spotlight today. There has been a massive reconfiguration with the other 16 bodies having been taken in charge. There were credit controllers and principal officers in each county. There was one each in counties Leitrim, Sligo, Donegal and Mayo, for example. How was that square rounded?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is it not the case that the capitation grant per student is considerably higher from the Department to the ETBs, or former VECs, when compared with religious schools? What is the difference? Is the difference not considerable?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: It is important to know, if one considers the funding from the State to Education and Training Boards Ireland, ETBI, compared with the two other sectors. If one takes a single student, what is the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is this not a major gap?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: The greater increase was given to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Yes, but the VEC schools were getting €100-plus more than the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: The reason I raise this point is that proportionately, more money and funding goes to the ETBI schools, at a considerably higher level per student, than to the other two authorities within the school sector.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: No. My final point pertains to the role of Mr. Owens in Cork. It is an important point on the recommendation of a school building programme and the role of investment by the Department in this regard. I am familiar with this issue from experience arising from another application. What role has Mr. Owens with regard to his recommendation pertaining to the disbursement of building funds?...

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