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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I know Mr. Conlon would not. I would not expect him to have it. Going back to the EY report, the Minister specifically said that the EY report recommended developing an external assurance review process for major infrastructure projects. That recommendation specifically came from the EY report. Mr. Conlon will understand my concerns, notwithstanding the fact that we need a certain...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Going over that, in Mr. Conlon's opening statement, he states that recent reforms to the public spending code were informed by a number of different reports. Mr. Conlon mentions the IMF report, where he mentioned the PwC report on the escalating costs of the national children's hospital. One of the other recommendations that were made in that report was to establish an infrastructure...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I hope the Department did not pay them for that recommendation if it was already set up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is that where the expertise is held for large capital project delivery for the State? Is it located within that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is there a variation across Departments in terms of the expertise and capacity to deliver the projects? Under the current structures, how are the Departments able to leverage expertise to other Departments? How much cross-departmental work is there?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Another recommendation in the IMF report was to mandate the Irish Government Economic and Evaluation Service, IGEES, to develop sector-specific methodological guidance in collaboration with Departments. Has that been done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It was said in the opening statement that a range of Departments and agencies have developed sector-specific arrangements. How many Departments have developed such sector-specific arrangements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: If Mr. Meaney keeps saying “transport”, the people in the west of Ireland will just go crazy, given the lack of transport. If he keeps holding up the Department of Transport as a great example, we will be expecting the western rail corridor to be there in the next couple of months.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: With regard to transport, the Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan, comes down to Sligo and says the N17 is halted and is off the radar, when a lot of money has already been spent on it, the land has been sterilised all around it and things like that. How is that decision reached?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I thought it would be but I thought I would just ask in case Mr. Conlon had any enlightening comments. I thank the witnesses for this session today. It was very useful and has given us an understanding of where things are at. I appreciate that the Department is evaluating this area and is looking to evaluate and improve it because, God knows, we need it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Changes to Public Spending Code: Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It is when it comes to the west.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I want to return to the economic crime strategy. We were looking at the French model but I am sure there are others. Who should lead the strategy here? It seems many things are being done but we need somebody to bring everything together to have a co-ordinated plan, as outlined in the Hamilton report. I am referring to the interagency co-ordination, collaboration and a clear...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is Mr. Kincaid saying France has an economic crime strategy? Who leads such strategies in other countries? Have we a model to go on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am trying to get at who leads it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: The central bank in France. If the strategy is led by the central bank in France, why should the Central Bank of Ireland not be leading it here?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am trying to know more about who pulls all this together. Mr. Kincaid is saying the central bank in France pulls it all together. I am trying to be clear on why the Irish Central Bank would not do something similar if it works.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: In France, do the authorities engage with the social media companies? What does that engagement look like?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It is very hard to have a crime strategy without having the social media companies involved.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: What is the Irish Central Bank not doing that is being done by central banks in other countries? What does the Irish Central Bank aspire to do to fill the gaps?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payment Fraud: Central Bank of Ireland (12 Jul 2023)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is there a wider remit for the Central Bank? As this evolves, will the Central Bank continue to do what it is doing or is there something wider it can do, given the resources?

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