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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Then Caranua set about getting receipts. One of its solutions to that at board level is to say it interprets the Act in such a way and can go direct to the supplier to get the receipt? Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: And that does not breach confidentiality. That decision has been made at board level.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Let me continue. I am only quoting. I will give the delegates plenty of time, subject to the ruling of the Chairman. I refer to the briefing document's reference to Caranua's board meeting and the thing about receipts. The delegates' document states the board noted that this would not be a breach of confidentiality and that the board agreed to provide this authority and so on, subject to...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is right. I am not trying to catch the delegates out; I am only trying to clarify something. The board made a decision that this was not a breach of confidentiality. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is right. Ms Higgins, on the last page, the second paragraph from the top, of her three page opening statement dated 13 April 2017 states:Caranua is engaged in the delivery of a care service to people who may be vulnerable. .... We do require receipts but we are prohibited by the confidentiality provisions of our legislation in seeking these from suppliers and are dependent on our...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Let me read it again.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understood exactly what has been said. The paragraph states: "We do require receipts but we are prohibited by the confidentiality provisions of our legislation in seeking these from suppliers."

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The briefing document was written on 13 April and the opening statement by Ms Higgins was written on 13 April but one contradicts the other. I am glad that Ms Higgins has clarified the matter. She has said that the board has made a decision and the organisation is guided by that. My next question is on receipts and limiting the suppliers. One of my colleagues has asked the same...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Has Caranua begun the restriction of suppliers?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Does that come down to small builders?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Has Caranua put a limit on who applicants can approach?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Forget that for the moment. I am talking about extensions and similar work in a house. Are the applicants limited?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Let us say somebody goes back to Caranua and claims he or she has not experienced a good service and the quality was not checked in terms of the chosen project. Will Caranua listen to the complaint?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: In terms of receipts, did it occur to Caranua to say to applicants, "Look, if you are like me then don't worry about receipts but give us permission and we will get them directly to save you that hassle" and give applicants choices?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: This is an organisation that was in trouble from day one, not because of applicants and receipts but because of internal controls. I am still waiting on the figure for the number of companies that Caranua had to bring in to put things right. The Comptroller and Auditor General has asked how can one know whether there has been an overpayment or underpayment without receipts so this problem...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Very good.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Great. I am almost finished, Chairman. Have conflicts of interest been declared?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is there a policy and procedure in place to deal with conflicts of interest?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I wish to discuss the board and the three policy changes. This starts off in 2014 and there is no limit. Is that right? Caranua is overwhelmed and at some stage the policy changes to limit the amount of money. Was the decision made at board level?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2014 and 2015 (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Ms Higgins, did the policy work on the ground?

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