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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Statements by Committee Members on Recommendations oif Citizens' Assembly (6 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: If Deputy Louise O'Reilly had said that she criticised me for sitting where I did because it could have the effect of intimidating witnesses, that would be an objective statement of her opinion. I would certainly regret it. If anything, I felt it is less conflictual to be opposite. If I had any instinctive reason to be sitting here, it is because I do not like conflict and I have found...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Statements by Committee Members on Recommendations oif Citizens' Assembly (6 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Sorry, thank you. I am sure the Chair must accept that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Statements by Committee Members on Recommendations oif Citizens' Assembly (6 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: But I am entitled to take a serious view of being accused of intimidating others.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Statements by Committee Members on Recommendations oif Citizens' Assembly (6 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I am exceptional in having had to put up with that kind of accusation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Statements by Committee Members on Recommendations oif Citizens' Assembly (6 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Deputy O'Connell cannot begrudge me that one.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: One of the items of correspondence relates to a letter from Ms Liz McDermott of One Day More. She requested that the same privilege be accorded to her correspondence as was accorded to other witnesses that came before the committee. At our last meeting a letter from the Danish ambassador was read into the record. He took issue with what I believe was Ms McDermott's testimony. She has...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: If Deputy McGrath is happy that that be said in his name, I mean everything that was in her letter, then grand. I remind the Chairman of the phrase "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I believe that every word Ms McDermott sent in should be read out. If it has already been read out, then I accept that point, in total.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: That is my point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I would like to speak against Deputy Jan O'Sullivan's motion and in support of Deputy Mattie McGrath's proposal that the committee recommend that Article 40.3.3° be retained in full. Article 40.3.3°, when passed in 1983, established Ireland as a beacon of human rights in this area. It took decisions on this life and death issue away from the political and judicial elites and has...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: The elephant in the room is that, in Britain, abortion on the grounds of mental health issues in particular has been the ground on which the widespread availability of abortion - effectively abortion on demand - has occurred. This is despite the fact that the ground has shifted in this area. When we heard evidence about mental health, we were reminded that there was no evidence associating...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I will make two final points about the two specialist physicians requirement. First, it is known that the requirement in Britain to have the signatures of two doctors has been widely flouted on occasion. There is evidence, and needless to say this committee did not seek the evidence, of pre-signed letters of authorisation from doctors. That is a chilling reminder of how this law can easily...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I urge the rejection of these amendments.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Votáil.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: A Chathaoirligh,-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: I only want to ask that what we are voting on would be read out. That is a reasonable request. Members are talking about composite motions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: Please. Each time we vote, we should have it read out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: On a point of order, "real and substantial risk to the life of the woman" is not a motion in itself. What are the prior words that govern that from the Citizens' Assembly recommendations?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Rónán Mullen: What was the full wording of that recommendation?

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