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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: The High Court

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I ask Mr. O'Driscoll to stick to the issue, namely, the substance. Did the Department test any pigs for traces of this substance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Surely, for completeness and for the sake of having absolute clarity on the issue, why would the Department not have done that? Is there a test that it could have done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I disagree with that point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: If the Department tested 20 pigs and found that substance among those pigs, I do not think, ultimately, that it would have been in the High Court. I think, basically, it was incontrovertible evidence with regard to what might have gone into the food chain; and having regard to that, it would have solved an awful lot of problems subsequently. The Department made a mistake by not going down...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I accept that once that was said the Department was put in a position that it had to act.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: To be clear on this, Mr. O'Driscoll said previously that, with the benefit of hindsight, that would not occur. The Department would have probably got professional slaughterers in to do the job.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: He would contend that the manner in which those pigs were slaughtered was not correct. There are a number of different ways that a pig can be slaughtered. It can be done with an electric current and it can be done with a bolt, etc., where there is bleeding. He would contend, as would Mr. O'Driscoll and the Department officials, that the bolt element part was done correctly. Those pigs...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: That is a difference between him being specific and definite at the time and the actual correct slaughtering of a pig.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Did he use them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I do not think he did.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: I am not talking about the video and I am not talking about the slaughter of that particular pig. I am talking about the general slaughtering of the pigs and whether it was done correctly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Yes. When the Department thought about a resolution in terms of what it needed to do and what transpired after that, in those three months the farmer was left in a situation where obviously he could not trade. Did the Department second-guess or have any thoughts with regard to what occurred after the fact, medicines being taken away from him, the fact that disease was spreading among those...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: What I cannot understand is, if it was so important and crucial that those pigs be slaughtered, why the Department waited three months? If it was the case that the immediacy of this issue deserved quick action, I do not understand why the Department would let those pigs remain on that farm for three months. Ultimately, it seems it was quite a haphazard approach by the Department when it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: In a case with animals where dioxins are involved, does the Department pay for the slaughter of those animals and the compensation that goes with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Deasy: Fair enough.

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