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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I have a final question about this area. How often is a rendering facility inspected per year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Is it a permanent presence every day?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I have a question about the milk quota and the 9,500 extra jobs. What is the Secretary General's view on this topic?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I welcome Mr. McCarthy and his team. On the funding of local government, when one looks at the graph of the allocation of funding, one sees that there has been a dramatic drop since 2008 and I think that has impacted on the level of services. While there has been a subvention of funding, the €2.4 billion now is considerably less than the €5.8 billion in 2008. There is a real...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: There is over €100 million in debt in Sligo at the moment. It is an appalling vista where outstanding facilities and libraries are being closed for the summer months. Somebody has to take the responsibility. The Lissadell case was taken by senior executives, advised by legal people employed by local government. Their fees had been paid. It is reprehensible to think that an...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: That is €700,000 not paid because there was so much pressure put on the local authorities to bring in draconian actions. It was the responsibility of elected members to make the decisions to forfeit services and the authority had a huge job to get the €250,000, yet €700,000 was not paid by the Department. I have been told that the figure of €1 million which is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Has it transferred yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: It is a catch-22 situation. I fully subscribe to a plan, but when the council is so heavily indebted, with up to €100 million owed, and still keeping essential services going after a massive reduction in staff, it is very difficult. In some cases, it cannot even write cheques. That is how bad it is. I have been speaking to Mr. Lemass about this and he has been very co-operative in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Who is accountable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Mr. McCarthy told me he has regular audit committees with local authorities and that he has an audit team going into Sligo County Council and checking how it spends its money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Who audits the money coming from Mr. McCarthy's Department into the local authority?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: What co-operation is there with Mr. McCarthy as Accounting Officer for the voted Estimate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I will finish with this point. I am very grateful to the Chairman for giving me time on this, because this is a catch-22 situation. I do not know how it can be solved. Regardless of the collection of debt, given the subvention from the State and the fact that as Accounting Officer the payments are made by him to the local authority, regardless of independent audit, it still is the main...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: A sum of €750,000 was not paid last year although it was expected to be paid. The council is now taking draconian action and the CEO, Mr. Hayes, has implemented staff reductions. The council has made massive cuts all over the place. Is there any possibility that the €750,000 plus the €1 million from this year will included in the revised plan? I ask the witnesses to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: As the Accounting Officer, Mr. McCarthy is here to deal with the accounts of the Department of Environment, Community and Local Government. I would encourage him to make a special case to the Minister on behalf of Sligo, in light of its gateway status. I ask that consideration be given to a bailout or a write-off of some of the debt of Sligo County Council.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: The legal charges attached to the case run into millions. The case was in the High Court for 57 days and it is unfair of the Department and the Minister to place that debt on the county.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Thank you, Chairman.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15: Local Property Tax
Chapter 16: Taxation of Rental Income
2014 Account of the Revenue Commissioners
(2 Jul 2015)

John Perry: I welcome Mr. Cody and compliment him on the great work of his team. The amount of revenue collected by the State is quite impressive. Revenue is a superb organisation. The property tax issue has been well covered. On the illicit end of things, Mr. Cody might advise me on the new marker for diesel laundering. Has that been agreed with Northern Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15: Local Property Tax
Chapter 16: Taxation of Rental Income
2014 Account of the Revenue Commissioners
(2 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Would Mr. Cody just explain that? This new marker has been tested scientifically. Fuel laundering is causing huge damage to vehicles. Is this new marker being used throughout the UK and in the fuel that is imported into Northern Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 15: Local Property Tax
Chapter 16: Taxation of Rental Income
2014 Account of the Revenue Commissioners
(2 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is there an agreement signed on this?

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