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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: I move motion 3:That the Committee recommend that termination of pregnancy be lawful where the life or health of the woman is at risk and that a distinction should not be drawn between the physical and mental health of the woman. Provision for gestational time limits for the termination of pregnancies be guided by the best available medical evidence and be provided for in legislation –...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: Motion 28 is in my name. I am fully supportive of the motion tabled by Deputies Kelleher and Lisa Chambers and Senator Ned O'Sullivan but I have a couple of issues with it on a technical level. The intention is to have a GP-led service. What about a case where somebody in a rural area does not want the local GP to know and presents at a Dublin maternity hospital? Could we amend the motion...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: I just want to make sure there is no ambiguity here. I was going to table an amendment to the motion but we can discuss it here. A person could be contraindicated to use termination tablets even at five weeks. The motion covers both surgical and medical.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: It leaves it to the doctor.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: The other issue I have is that my understanding – I have checked this with consultants – is that currently termination tablets are licensed up to ten weeks in the domestic, non-clinical setting and thereafter can be used depending on the doctor. The reason I changed my original motion to 12 weeks was to allow for variations in menstrual cycle length but also to encompass a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: On a point of clarification, I do accept that Deputy Fitzpatrick does not interrupt people at the committee. However, there is no heartbeat at three weeks. Obviously, from the moment the sperm and the egg fuse the genetic material is there for all of us to have existed, but there is no heartbeat. At seven weeks there is a pulsating tube, from the evidence I have read. It is unfair to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: I welcome this motion. If Deputy Kelleher, Deputy Chambers and Senator O'Sullivan were up for this, we could insert a wording based on the evidence we heard from Dr. Peter Thompson on the issues around the diagnosis of fatal foetal abnormality. He spoke of two doctors acting in good faith. I wonder if we could put something like that in here. If a woman's baby is diagnosed with a severe...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: There could be a compromise if we could put "...of foetal fatal abnormality so that a medical diagnosis made in good faith...".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: It just covers a doctor.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: Essentially, apart from the point made by Senator Ruane, my issue is around viability and having no gestational limit. I would be far more comfortable if that was decided by somebody. As somebody who is very much a believer in choice, the choice of the woman, I have a difficulty with this, from a viability point of view. I understand these are women on the margins of society with whom some...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: I withdraw my motion as the matter has been dealt with.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: We are voting on the substantive issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: We have done it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: Let us say the eighth amendment is repealed and motions 34 and 35 are included, we will not have dealt with where somebody ordered tablets online. After the inclusion of motions 34 and 35, it is still a criminal offence unless one includes motion 36.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: If there is a girl in a frightened situation, does the committee get what I am saying-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution: Completion of the Examination of the Report and Recommendations of the Citizens' Assembly and Preparation of a Draft Report in accordance with the Terms of Reference of the Joint Committee (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: Defined by the medical practice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: I thank the delegates for coming . There are a couple of points I wish to raise following on from this morning's session. Dr. Gilligan mentioned that a tiny number of doctors have been carrying out the practices outlined in the "RTÉ Investigates" programme. Earlier this morning we asked if this number has been quantified. This was raised by Deputy Bernard J. Durkan. We were told...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: What impact do these things have on outcomes for patients? If our figures are not ideal in comparison to other OECD countries, is there a sort of a vicious cycle at work? If we have fewer beds, more demand, shorter hospital stays and a hospitalisation rate of 139 per 1,000 while the average is 169 per 1,000, and leaving consultant practice out of it, is the combination of these things...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Hospital Consultants Contract: Discussion (13 Dec 2017)

Kate O'Connell: Perhaps I missed it, but did Dr. Ryan say whether it had been quantified how many consultants were acting outside the terms of the contract, either in a positive or a negative way?

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