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Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: There were cutbacks in what are described as operating costs.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: This refers to programmes for patients. Is that correct? There were cutbacks and queues for patients.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: There were cutbacks for patients in the programmes. Mr. Nugent has already said the clinic had to do this.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: There were cutbacks in programmes and there were queues. Deputy Finian McGrath spoke eloquently about the queues which had built up in his constituency as a result of the cutbacks.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: The clinic had €14 million in the bank at the time it was making cutbacks.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Some of it was also being used to pay Mr. Kiely's salary.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Let us have a look at the accounts. I do not understand, given Mr. Nugent's comments on cutbacks, how staff costs increased between 2011 and 2012.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: The 2011 accounts refer to staff costs of €15,005,000 in 2011 and €15,170,000 in 2012.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Page 8.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Wait a minute. The staff costs increased.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Did the clinic have more staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: It did not have more staff. In 2011-12 it had fewer staff, as shown on page 15.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: The figure reduced from 297 to 281.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: Of course, I do not know the mix. That is the reason I am asking the question. I presume Mr. Kiely knows the mix.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: It is an average increase.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: There was an increase of approximately 7% per head in the year in question, which was at a time of cutbacks.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: The increase is per head. I do not know how it happened.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: How could one have additional staff when staff numbers were going down?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Shane Ross: The staff numbers were down, while staff costs went up. We should find out the reason for this and how it happened because nobody seems to know.

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