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Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: This is a defining moment in our history. Members are being presented with a referendum to decide whether this House should be abolished or retained. I believe this argument will be won by reasoned debate, but only by reasoned debate that will demonstrate the benefits of this House to Irish politics and in the service of Irish people. There will be many cat fights originating from both...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: On the Bill, I refer to a vision in which there will be thinking politics in this House unimpeded by a Whip system or party politics. While I completely support that in the Dáil, the Seanad should be a thinking House that will inform policy that can then be taken on board by the Dáil. I will not impede democracy and today I will vote for the passage of this Bill. I do not wish to...

Seanad: An Bille um Dara Leasú is Tríocha ar an mBunreacht (Deireadh a chur le Seanad Éireann) 2013: An Cúigiú Céim - Thirty-second Amendment of the Constitution (Abolition of Seanad Éireann) Bill 2013: Fifth Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Most of the people.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I will pass on this.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I move amendment No. 9: In page 9, between lines 5 and 6, to insert the following:“(c) where the unborn is sixteen weeks gestation or older, an effective anaesthetic for pain relief shall be administered to the foetus before the medical procedure is commenced, provided this does not increase the risk of the loss of life of the pregnant woman.”.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I spoke about the issue of foetal pain on Committee Stage last week. A large body of evidence supports the fact the foetus feels pain in the womb during a termination or abortion, particularly if the foetus is over 20 weeks. Professor Glover, a pro-choice advocate in the United Kingdom, says this is the case from 17 weeks onwards. My amendment requests that an anaesthetic be provided for...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I will leave it at that, because I know others want to speak.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: On a point of order-----

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Thank you. Let us be accurate on the record.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Irish consultants carry this out at the moment. There is a very simple reason for it. Thank you.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Rubbish. We placed this on the record. The Senator is not entering new information. He is contradicting it.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I agree with considering all the evidence in the round. My background is in research and I am aware that one does not just examine one item of evidence and draw a conclusion from it. To deny that there is no up-to-date medical evidence which shows that an unborn baby feels pain is to completely mislead the House. I will identify some patterns from the information available. There is broad...

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: What I have just outlined is how an Irish obstetrician described to me the way in which these procedures are carried out elsewhere.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I would be happy to provide the Minister of State with his name after the debate.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I would be happy to give it to the Minister of State afterwards.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Many names have been offered in this House and they have been rejected by the Cathaoirleach. I am, therefore, going to adhere to Standing Orders on this matter. However, I would be more than happy to supply the name to the Minister privately.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Excuse me, who has the floor here?

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Hear, hear.

Seanad: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (23 Jul 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Hear, hear.

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