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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can Mr. Ó Foghlú give us a list of the properties?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Ó Foghlú should please not list out stuff to me. I have only 20 minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Fourteen years later, €15 million is outstanding. Mr. Ó Foghlú's answer to that is it is complex and the properties are being used. He will give us a list of the properties. The Comptroller and Auditor General recommended that the Department should vigorously pursue this and Mr. Ó'Foghlú said it is doing that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Comptroller and Auditor General has made a number of recommendations regarding a look back assessment of the commission and the costs. Has that started?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: There are serious lessons to be learned. Mr. Ó Foghlú has accepted that and he has agreed with the Comptroller and Auditor General's recommendations that the indemnity agreement be followed up and that there should be a look back assessment. I would have expected that to have started given mother and baby homes and other institutions need to be looked at, that officials would have...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Department has not conducted a look back assessment, yet the Government has said there cannot be another commission while specifically citing the cost of this commission as a reason for that. I do not expect Mr. Ó Foghlú to comment on that. None of the 15,000 men and women who went before the commission was at fault. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is important for the record. They had been systematically abused according to the Ryan report. The average payout was little. When the Government, therefore, refers to the major cost of a redress board, it has nothing to do with the applicants.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. Ó Foghlú. It has to do with the scale and the systematic abuse. The Department has a role in examining this quickly and learning lessons. The Comptroller and Auditor General has published many reports on an ongoing basis highlighting deficiencies and the Department has not responded. It has not completed a review. Mr. Ó Foghlú has not told me when the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What was the figure for the voluntary agreement? How did that arise? Did the Department meet the representatives of the organisations and agree this?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Was this in 2009?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did officials from the Department of Education and Skills meet with the religious organisations?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That would be great afterwards, when Mr. Ó Foghlú is giving the committee the list of the properties. These informal meetings took place. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: These informal meetings took place.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Are there minutes for all those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is Mr. Ó Foghlú not sure if there are minutes of those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: If they were formal meetings there would have been. That is okay. These are important questions because some agreement-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is okay. Will Mr. Ó Foghlú check that for us?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: As a result of that series of formal meetings a figure was agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We will not use my time with the meetings. I will just get a list from Mr. Ó Foghlú. I want the outcomes of those meetings. What was the figure?

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