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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Especially given that they did not know what the chief executive was doing.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: It is quite extraordinary. Did the president seek a second term?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: What happened to dissuade him?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Does Dr. Neavyn have any idea of the reason?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: No. I can understand that. What age is the president?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: But he was not of retirement age.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: We can find out. He applied-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: It would be interesting to know the formal reason. Could Dr. Neavyn help me with another point? Who are Martin and Eleanor Power?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Are they the ones who got €29,000?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: This is my final question to Dr. Neavyn on the extraordinary laxity in oversight of expenditure. The question is perhaps more correctly directed to Mr. Ó Foghlú and Mr. Boland. Are they aware or has anyone brought anything similar to their attention? Are they dealing with similar queries in any of the other third level educational institutions?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: If the officials did not detect it in this case, what confidence could we have that it would be detected elsewhere?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: I accept that the HEA has improved since freedom of information requests exposed what was happening. Has the HEA done any look-back on what was happening in other third level institutions at the same time as this was going on in Waterford?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: But there never was any much indication of what was happening in Waterford either.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Only after the FOI information became available.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Could Mr. Ó Foghlú answer the same question please?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Are issues worrying Mr. Ó Foghlú?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is there anything in particular at the moment that Mr. Ó Foghlú would like to share with us?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Perhaps we will have to come back to it later. We are aware that things are going to happen. Could Mr. Ó Foghlú just tell me whether in his experience it is not extraordinary – Mr. Ó Foghlú accepted some of the blame himself – that one has a situation where one has a board, an internal audit committee, staff, an external audit committee, a governing body, a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Okay. I thank the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Before we do so, I have one last question for Dr. Neavyn. How much is being spent in pursuit of discovering what went on and the legal case? Is it correct that the institute is only pursuing reimbursement up to €120,000?

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