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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is Dr. Neavyn referring to FÁS?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: In other words, the issue was passed over to the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Was that the only challenge to the president's expenditure of which Dr. Neavyn is aware?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is it fair to say that we are talking about a chief executive officer with a huge budget who, over a long period, really was not in the habit of being challenged by anybody about his expenditure? Dr. Neavyn indicated that the first occasion on which his spending was challenged was in 2009?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: What was the outcome of those challenges?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: In other words, when the president was challenged his response was to say the judgment was his to make and that was the end of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: It is not a very satisfactory method of running a corporate operation.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Were any of these items of expenditure ever brought to the attention of the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: I am referring to any and all of them.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is Dr. Neavyn saying that any other challenges or queries on expenditure which may have been raised before that time were not brought to the board? Is it the case, in other words, that nothing was ever brought to the board's attention in the entire period from 2001 to 2011?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: The situation is that the chief executive was really in a position to spend what he liked, when he liked, without challenge. That is the reality. A few things might have been said but nothing ever went any further.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: That is an absolutely extraordinary situation.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Dr. Neavyn is new to the position. Where does he think the main failing lies?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: How much is involved in total? I am sorry for interrupting Dr. Neavyn. I know he cannot talk about the details of the case he is taking but how much is he looking to be reimbursed?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Is that the total?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: To get back to the other question, where does Dr. Neavyn feel the main failing lies? He has looked at the issue for a couple of years.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: If the president is behaving in a certain way, there are Government checks on him.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: Perhaps I am wrong, but these items of expenditure are noticeable. They are not things one could overlook. If people are flying around the world first class or taking private jets here, there and everywhere or doing all manner of things which are documented, as one of my colleagues suggested, everybody must have known about it, not just members of staff but members of the board. Whereas,...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: How many members are on the governing body?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Shane Ross: It is not a pretty top-heavy governing body?

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