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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: We have lost sound from Dr. Hillyer for some reason. Can you mute and unmute again, Dr. Hillyer? We have lost sound, unfortunately. We will move to Dr. Pearce and then return to Dr. Hillyer. I do not know what gremlins are at work and I am sorry about that. Does Dr. Pearce wish to comment on Senator Paul Daly's questions? We cannot hear Dr. Pearce either. Can Deputy Kehoe or Deputy...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Yes. The sound is back. I will return to Dr. Hillyer to let her finish her contribution.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Yes. My apologies for that. I do not know what happened.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Dr. Pearce will have an opportunity to come in again. Many members wish to ask questions. I have given our guests great latitude to outline their work because it is important to get a comprehensive background to the testing going on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: We are going to have a problem today. We are definitely not going to get to the end of the questions. Members' questions are so central to the topic I do not want to stop anyone. I was lenient with the witnesses at the start because it was important we got an overview of the situation but this is something we are going to have to reconvene on. I appreciate Deputy Carthy stopping. Deputy...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: No, we will go back to Deputy Kehoe for his further questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: It is not true that it is not accounted for. In fairness, the accounts are audited.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: To say it is unaccounted would not be fair.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: We may have to reconvene on this issue because I do not think there is any hope of us getting through the agenda today. The next speaker is Deputy Michael Collins.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: There are still a good few members looking to get in. Senator Mullen, you are next on my list. Deputy Martin Browne was next-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Senator Mullen is substituting for someone, so-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Maybe I am wrong, Deputy Ring, but I thought that since Senator Mullen is substituting, he has a say-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: If am mistaken, Deputy Ring, I apologise-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: -----but I thought that since Senator Mullen is substituting, he has the same rights as members of the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Lads, everyone had his hand up within two minutes of the meeting starting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Yes, Senator.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Hold on a second, Senator Mullen. To refer to a person operating in the industry and to his private business is not appropriate, so I would like you to rephrase your question, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Senator Mullen can say " a thorn in the side" but I would not like him to be identifying a particular person.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: No. Senator Mullen is not listening to me. I said that he cannot identify someone directly. That was clearly stated at the start.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Alleged Issues in the Horse Racing Industry: Discussion (8 Jul 2021)

Jackie Cahill: Senator Mullen, let Dr. Hillyer finish.

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