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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Could I-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Just to get the second part of that question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It was not answered. To be fair it was not answered. I thank the Chairman again. My question was as follows. By certifying an abortion for that young person, are we in danger of loading another injury on her, given the real evidence - post abortion - of suicidal intent and feelings?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: On a point of order, only 302 psychiatrists were surveyed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I thank the panel members for their time. What is Dr. O’Grady’s professional view of the suggestion that the X case was determined by the Supreme Court without any psychiatric evidence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: We are on head 4. Was that appropriate in the view of Dr. O’Grady? Dr. Veronica O’Keane made a claim that is of huge concern to me and I would like her to validate it. She said in point 5 that in situations where abortion services are not available, unwanted pregnancy is a leading cause of suicide. That is not known. Where is the evidence to support her statement? What...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: RTE issued an apology two or three days later.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I would be delighted to receive them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: There is a very low bar.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I am struck today by the 13 or 14 psychiatrists we have had before us, by the care and compassion each of them has displayed and the holistic approach they use to assess their clients and patients. I am inclined to conclude, and agree with Dr. Ó Domhnaill, that abortion is a medieval solution to crisis pregnancy. How - he may have a legal opinion on this - can we clarify the law to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is, but Dr. Ó Domhnaill may have taken legal advice on this. This was his question. How can we clarify the law to satisfy the ECHR without writing new law?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: As a country we have the luxury and the benefit of looking at the evidence in so many other countries. We have the benefit of being compassionate here. While some say we have done the wrong thing by waiting so long, I believe we have done the right thing. We are in the top five in maternal health care in the developed world. This question is to each of the psychiatrists. Given the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I am sorry, I did not see him. I am conscious of the following question. With this Bill, are we in danger of validating suicide in Irish society which is already at epidemic levels as a real option by legislating for it as a way to procure an abortion? I put that question to Dr. Sheehan this morning and he stated he has grave concerns. We must seriously look at what we are doing. We are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: May I add a tiny-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: It is about the number.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: The information comes under our remit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Good evening panel and I thank them for being here. I will direct my first question to Dr. Janice Walshe. It is particularly interesting that C in the ABC case - we are here because of the European Court of Human Rights judgment in that case - was a woman who had cancer. Could Dr. Walshe clarify for the record what is available currently in Ireland for a woman in the position of C? We...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Such as what?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: Chairman this is a very important point

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (21 May 2013)

Fidelma Healy Eames: I welcome and thank the panellists. I am very grateful to Mr. Paul Brady and Ms Caroline Simons for clarifying that we are absolutely not obliged to legislate for the X case. This has become a mantra in this debate. No sooner had Mr. Brady said it than there was an intervention by Senator Bacik that it was a requirement---

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