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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I ask Dr. Sullivan to be very brief.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am sorry. We are over time. We are to begin the next session at 12.30 p.m. I want to let Dr. Sullivan complete his answer but then I am moving to the next session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I have allowed members to come back in for an additional three minutes but I am afraid that is it. We have to move to the next session at 12.30 p.m. I thank the officials for coming here today. The briefings were very informative and beneficial. We will now suspend for a few minutes while we move to the second session. Some of our witnesses will remain.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We are discussing the integration of early years learning.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am not sure it is appropriate or in line.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It does not relate to the integration of early years learning into primary years education.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: The Senator is referring to something that was dealt with in our previous session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It may be a matter of public interest but the question has been asked and answered in detail.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I will ask a few questions of my own. The Aistear programme is excellent. I have not had sight of the reformulated version, but it has been transformative for early years education. However, we find ourselves in a peculiar situation whereby, through the ECCE programme, we are starting formal education through what is essentially a privatised setting. While it is funded by the State, much...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I will ask a question about literacy and its place in early education. I read some research years ago. When citing research, I should have the citation to hand but, unfortunately, I do not. This research suggested that, whether you start literacy work at four or at seven, the outcomes are broadly the same by the time the child is 12. If I am right on this, and I am sure I will be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Senator Mullen, can I ask what relevance that has to the discussion of the integration of early years learning in primary education?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am chairing the committee, however.

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It has been just over a year since Storm Babet visited severe flooding on communities in east Cork and west Waterford. If we had not been reminded of this by its anniversary, the flooding in Spain will certainly have reminded us in a very visceral way. Replies to freedom of information requests show that detailed information is being shared with local authorities ahead of heavy rainfall...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I might cut Ms Forster off if she does not mind. We are over time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Okay. I have no experience of them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: That does not dispel some of my concerns but I understand where Dr. Grant is coming from. I have discussed another point with Dr. Sullivan previously. It concerns the place of content in the curriculum and what it is we do in the world of Google and ChatGPT. I feel strongly that ChatGPT having read the entire works of Plato does not help me to structure a moral outlook on the world. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We will continue on to the second part of our discussion, which is on the integration of early years learning into primary education. On behalf of the committee, I again welcome from the Department of Education: Mr. Dalton Tattan, assistant secretary; Ms Jill Fannin, principal officer; and Ms Joanne Roe, early years specialist. I also welcome witnesses from the NCCA: Ms Arlene Forster, CEO;...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I am not sure which of our witnesses wants to answer that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: That question has been asked and answered.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I ask Dr. Sullivan to be very brief because this is not related to what we are actually here for.

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