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Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: It will be a mixture, and yes they are competent. We are in continuous discussions with them. We meet weekly at different levels and I chair the monthly social housing implementation strategy meeting. We met with them last week, so "Yes" is the answer to the Deputy's query. Questions were also asked about the rental accommodation scheme, RAS. There will be 2,000 more in the RAS scheme....

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: As I have said, it is a mixture of 50/50. It is a mixture of those transferring and those coming straight on.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: It is 50/50 at the moment.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: It is transfers.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: It depends on the roll out of HAP and how successful it is. We are looking at variations in relation to it because of where it is being rolled out. We expect a substantial amount to be new contracts. It would be impossible to give you an exact percentage for the future.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: We can base it on previous analysis of 50/50. Our ambition is to improve that statistic so it heads more in the direction of new contracts.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: I know exactly what the Deputy is getting at, and he is right to get at it, but what we are presenting here is the amount of 8,400 units. As we roll this out to more local authorities and as we broaden the spectrum of local authorities, we expect to be able to take on more new applicants. The current percentage is 50/50. We expect that to grow substantially in the direction of new applicants.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: I would not safely assume that at all. I would not assume that in any way, shape or form.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: We base it currently on 50/50, but into the future with the roll out and expansion of HAP I expect that percentage to grow higher.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: Previously it was on the basis of 50/50 and I hope that will grow into the future.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: The total figure is 15,925.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: The Deputy is arguing over the 8,400.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: The totals for new units and the totals for HAP are two different figures. The total for new units is 7,536. The total for HAP is 8,400. One separates HAP and new applicants. We want to get as many new applicants into HAP as possible.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: We are looking at various options on public private partnerships and providing housing. We have been quietly happy with the volume of interest and how it is going. There are a number of vehicles being looked at and various funding models. There are many people approaching our Department wanting to be part of PPPs into the future.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: It is in the Vote.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: It is coming on stream for 2016 and 2017 so it is not in the 2015 Vote.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: Given the legacy we were left with, our policy is to front load the development of housing and to build and lease as many as we can directly. In 2016 and 2017, we will be using PPPs to develop that even further.

Committee on Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht: Select Sub-Committee on the Environment, Community and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 34 - Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government (Revised)
(3 Mar 2015)

Alan Kelly: I can tell the Deputy how many. It is 1,500 houses by 2017 through the PPP model.

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