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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: I have said before there are huge deficits with regard to disability services and the Government should do more, as successive previous governments should have.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Even if those deficits with regard to disability services were done overnight, would that change people's opinions, particularly in the disability community?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: I get that. I absolutely get it. However, if this committee were to put recommendations that, on the grounds of disability, somebody could not avail of assisted dying, would that change Mr. Kearns's opinion on this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: On the grounds of disability.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Let us put it this way. Somebody who could avail of assisted dying would be in the last throes of their life, meaning months, weeks or days in certain circumstances. That would be somebody who is terminally ill and who has a diagnosis that is life-limiting. To me, that is the crux of assisted dying. In New Zealand, for example, they have specifically said in the provisions for their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Okay. I will come back in the next round.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Senator Mullen is trying to twist something-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: He is trying to twist what I said.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Engagement with People with Disabilities (16 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: This is a very complex issue but I believe we can overcome the complexities of assisted dying and legislate for it. I hope the committee agrees on this. Public opinion is clearly on the side of legislating for assisted dying, not only in Ireland but also in Britain and other countries. We have to be cognisant of this. Not all people live well and not all people die well. In the latter...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: I thank the representatives for their ongoing work on this very important issue. A number of months ago, representatives from the Mental Health Commission were in this very room and I asked them about their report. To say the least, their report was quite damning and unsettling in terms of the provision of child and adolescent mental health services and I asked whether CAMHS in its present...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: That is my next question. I want to discuss the private sector in terms of assessment of needs and so forth. How confident is the group in certain groupings and individuals in terms of assessments? It is quite arbitrary. The Mental Health Commission in its report said there was no regulation at all. If there is no regulation at all in terms of the assessment of a child then alarm bells...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: How much would that assessment cost?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: The assessments may not be accepted by CAMHS.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: My God, that is unbelievable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: The parents have spent all that money getting all the assessments and therapy but when their child eventually gets into CAMHS-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Is it the case that when a child is in CAMHS, and they have had assessments, the professional in CAMHS will not accept the assessments or they think it is the wrong diagnosis or the wrong path?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services: Families for Reform of CAMHS (17 Jan 2024)

Gino Kenny: Yes.

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