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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: We are astute people, we should be able to work it out.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Is the committee statutorily bound to make a report every three months?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Is that just-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Why is it every three months? Would twice a year not be enough?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I am just asking.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I welcome the witnesses. For the public in general, the audit we are scrutinising today is for 2015. That is four years ago. Since then we have had 2016, 2017 and 2018 and we are now in 2019. Why are we scrutinising 2015? What is the status of 2016, 2017 and 2018? The public should know why we are four years behind. Who will answer the question?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It seems strange. One would not run a private business that way.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I read the Comptroller and Auditor General's report last night. There was complete dysfunction in governance and oversight control. Everybody was asleep at the wheel. We cannot talk about what happened as we have been warned it is not allowed, but there are issues and concerns. Where was everybody when this was happening? It seems to have been controlled by individuals and executives....

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I know. I heard them all but I picked out the ones I mentioned.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: At what stage did the Department become aware of problems or concerns and what was the immediate reaction of the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What did the Department do then?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Who asked Dr. Thorn to do a report? At what stage was he brought in?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I have not read Dr. Thorn's report. I presume it was scathing about what happened. The outcome of his report has brought us to where we are now.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What is Mr. Ó Foghlú's conclusion about the procedures and what happened in Kildare and Wicklow ETB? What is his opinion now? Can it happen again and could it be happening somewhere else in the country?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That seems to have failed where this investigation is taking place from what I have read. That is my opinion.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I have two questions. Poor contract management practices contributed additional costs of €483,000 regarding the construction of Arklow community college. Given what the witness has said, why did the Comptroller and Auditor General include that comment? That is the opposite of what Mr. Loftus is saying. The €483,000 is almost €0.5 million. It is in the report in black...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: There was a systems failure

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Who is responsible? Can we identify who is responsible for the overrun?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Yes, but the public needs to know why there is an additional cost of €483,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Can Dr. Keyes comment on that?

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